The Theological Nature of Islam

I’ve recently and reluctantly reached some conclusions regarding radical Islam.

I’ve reached the conclusion that Islamic radicalism is a symptom not a cause. Regrettably, I’ve been forced to conclude that the cause is Islam itself.

I base this assessment upon Islam’s holiest and most fundamental theological tenet, which when fully appreciated inexorably leads to the logical conclusion that it is Islam itself, which makes war upon Israel and the West.

That tenet compels Islam to do so and allows for no deviation from that path. It also allows for no internal reform of Islam, makes reformation impossible and accounts for the silence of ‘moderate’ Islam.

That tenet is simply this; Muhammad didn’t write the Qur’an (Koran) GOD did…

Muhammad made this most extraordinary theological claim in establishing his religion, which led to certain immutable assumptions from which Islam cannot retreat because to do so, would destroy Islam’s theological foundations and collapse the entire theological rationale and edifice.

Muhammad claimed that the Archangel Gabriel physically visited him and perfectly (he’s an angel) transmitted God’s words directly to Muhammad for transcription. That Muhammad merely took dictation and that Gabriel was there to make sure that he got it exactly right.

Thus, the Qur’an is the perfect word of God, directly from the ‘big guys’ mouth and therefore inviolate.

Theologically, to change even one word, even one comma is to distort God’s own, perfect words and that, no mere man may do.

Upon this claim by Muhammad rests his assertion that he is God’s prophet and because Muhammad brings God’s words directly to mankind, Islamic doctrine concludes that Muhammad is God’s final prophet.

There are theological contradictions in the Qur’an but since Allah cannot be perfect if he contradicts himself and, as God’s perfect, final prophet, Muhammad can’t contradict himself either, by long settled Islamic doctrine, the later violent passages supersede the earlier, more peaceful passages. Moderate Muslims know this and that is why they are so strangely silent in the face of their culpability in the violence upon innocents.

Quite simply, the radicals are on far firmer theological ground in their interpretation of Islam than the moderates and because of the aforementioned foundational tenets of Islam, the moderates have no theological basis for opposing the ‘radicals’, who are simply following Muhammad’s dictates to follow the Qur’an’s dictates, i.e. to follow God’s dictates…to conquer the world.

This is also why Islam cannot reform itself, for to do so it must ‘reform’ the Qur’an, which would necessitate rejecting Muhammad’s claim that the Qur’an is the direct, perfect word of God. Which logically destroys Muhammad’s claim to prophethood through his claim that Gabriel visited him. Literally begging the question; if Muhammad got something as basic as the Qur’an’s authorship wrong, what else did he get wrong?

The inevitable theological result is that Islam’s theological foundation is removed and the entire rationale for Islam disappears, collapsing into dust.

Medieval Islam is confronted with the modernity of the West’s culture…an existential struggle that leaves Islam no choice but to engage in a fight to the death. Either the West is subdued or eventually Islam will no longer be Islam.

Osama bin Ladin, the radical Imams and Mullahs know this and that is why they hate the West. To them, we are the great Satan and nothing can change that because the alternative is the abandonment of their religion’s theological foundations.

Which is exactly what the moderates have done, while living in denial of the theological reality, simply ignoring the parts of the Qur’an that they find uncomfortable.

Wherein the problem lies for the moderates is that participation in the ‘Ummah’ requires the condoning of the inherent violence of the Qur’an and the radicals who follow its dictates, which by Western standards and law, equates to criminal culpability in the violence.

Thus, moderates are confronted with a fundamental paradox; to remain Muslim means to participate in the violence by fulfilling Burke’s dictum; “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”.

But to overtly reject and condemn the violence means to condemn and reject Islam’s tenets and dictates and commit apostasy.

So moderates have to decide, do they stand on the side of love or hate?

“For a man cannot serve two masters”…he will turn to one or the other”

Geoffrey Britain

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“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!…Islam says: Kill the [ non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. … Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! …”

“Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!”

“There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

“Those who oppose the mullahs oppose Islam itself; eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years. It is only the mullahs who can bring the people into the streets and make them die for Islam– begging to have their blood shed for Islam.”

those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under Allah’s law.”

There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun [or] joy in whatever is serious.”

Ayatollah Khomeini

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78 thoughts on “The Theological Nature of Islam

    • somaye,

      The brevity of your comment leaves me a bit uncertain of your intent in directing me to your linked site.

      The following passage from the site leads me to the impression that you’re implying that I am being unfair in my reading of Islam;
      “Have you been verbally abused, harassed, discriminated against or even violently attacked because you are Muslim? Have you been mistreated by the police or security services or a victim of anti-terror laws? ”

      I believe my reading of the theological foundations of Islam to be correct.

      Simply asserting it not to be is not a rebuttal.

  1. outstanding – logic is sound. argument is tight. and your assertion that the radicals are not chastised by the so-called moderates provides a perfect rationale for their deafening silence.

    • Actually it’s not a good post about Islam. First of all it reeks bigotry and ignorance and secondly the references are horribly wrong. Continue reading & learning about Islam. God speed 🙂

  2. Geoffrey,
    I disagree that Islam cannot reform because of ther claim that the Quran is the word of Allah. It may seem that way to them, but when the rubber meets the road, as in an overwhelming military defeat, visions and voices from Angels can conveniently make revisions.

    Christianity was once a religion much like Islam – intolerant, warlike, and the Bible was claimed to be the inerrant word of God. The Thirty Years War was so barbarous, so blood-soaked, and never ending that the Christian sects came to their senses and took a new path toward tolerance, and ecumenalism. I know fundamenatlist Christians today who still claim the Bible is the inerrant word of God, but they do not want to kill anyone who makes a counter claim.

    Islam will either reform or perish. It cannot keep attacking the modern world without an eventual equivalent of the Thirty Years War.

    • I too once thought as do you Jimmy J. and for much the same reasons. However, in the context of fundamentalism, Christianity and Islam only appear to be similar. The difference, as regards the possibility of reform is their foundational premises, that form the basis for their theology.

      Jesus divinity is Christianity’s foundational premise. All else is secondary to that singular premise and the secondary premises can be ‘reinterpreted’, i.e. reform, without fatally undermining the premise that Jesus was divine. However, even should you deny Christ’s divinity his message remains viable. Christianity would lose its religious status but remain an attractive pacifistic philosophy.

      Islam’s foundational premise is that God, through the perfect vehicle of the Archangel Gabriel, dictated the Quran to Muhammad, an illiterate who could neither read nor write. Muhammad makes this extraordinary claim and upon it his prophethood, the claim that he is the ‘last’ prophet and the inviolability of the Koran rest. For something so basic, if he’s got who wrote the book wrong, either he’s a liar or delusional. But in either case, it would beg the question, what else did he get wrong?

      To reform the Quran, requires changing God’s words…but change God’s message and you don’t have Islam any more. You have a man-made version of God’s word. Implicitly setting up man’s understanding above God’s, which is blasphemy. Since Muhammad claims that the Qur’an is God’s direct message to mankind, no revision is possible or needed because God is perfect and never gets it wrong. He’s by definition, incapable of error. His truth is eternal and everlasting so upon what basis would reform be needed? That messages inconvenience for mankind’s desire to be ruled by a less restrictive covenant?

      So, within the context of Islam, once you change the Qur’an, you implicitly declare it not to be the word of God and that Muhammad got it wrong and the foundational premises of Islam collapse. Nothing would remain but the premise that we should submit to God’s will. Arguably that’s a valid premise but it’s not the foundation for a religion. For who but a crazy, delusional person would claim to know God’s will?

      Complete resistance to change is thus built into Islam’s very foundation. Reform requires the abandonment of the very foundational premises of which Islam’s theology is composed.

      There’s no way out of that conundrum, it’s literally baked into the theology’s ‘cake’. And that’s why Islam must eventually become extinct, it’s incapable of change within an environment (22nd century) where survival requires change.

  3. You’re article reeks ignorance & bias, a classic symptom of prejudice. I can understand human natures dislike of what it does not understand, I can only imagine its ten fold when a person has gathered half baked so called research and confettized them into a article. You have even stooped low enough to deliberately reworded Quranic verses, which may succeed in pulling the wool over the eyes of your readers.

    But didn’t you take into consideration that a Muslim reader who is by far a better source than you on my own religion wouldn’t catch you out rewording holy scripture.

    I urge other readers to double check your references and continue researching because Islam is the fastest growing religion today.

    I’m referencing your flimsy debate as well as the other similarly driven writers whom regurgitate anti-islamic rhetoric via the internet. I shall address your points as well as theres and remember just like readers found your article they can find mine too and then they can judge.

    Note to Readers: Ask yourself, who benefits by demonizing Islam during the current economic political climate & is very much in need of an alibi to justify the occupation and plunder of oil rich countries because western countries are drowning financially. Either ignorants or ones with agendas, the same one that are very much part of the well oiled machine thats intentionally demonizing Islam as it marches East towards the creation of Greater Israel.

      • Naaaah you know whats Amaazing Eunuch? You patronizing me and repeating the same-old-same-old just like youré bedsheet swathed forefathers excorsized when they had-themselves a-nigger-lyinchin not so long ago.
        But it’s ok my Kukukluxed fiend.
        Prejudice, after all is the child of ignorance so you’re short comings are expected 😉
        Go read a real book about Islam, instead of the literary delusional anti-islamic smut you’ve inflicted your rationale with.

      • aisha – underneath the veneer of civility, you reveal yourself as the barbarian you are. part of the Black Tide. charges of Racism are the last vestige of an intellectually dishonest enemy. your mind is darkened by the Evil One who came in the guise of a Prophet of the Light.

  4. Eunuch…. I suppose chubby little winged cherubs are going to lift you up into heaven for mocking my belief & calling me ignorant? I’ll tell how sorry excuses like YOU taught me how the world works, plain & simple: A snarky condescending insult initiated by you, not only deserves, but warrants another.

    The veneer of civility you see is all you deserve. My respect is solely reserved for the many people from all creeds of life & beliefs that i’ve come across who respect me.
    Ironically my religion Islam actually teaches me to maintain a level of respect of others always, but i’m only human & I fall short when it comes to those whom do dont share a semblance of respect to me or my religion.
    Now, if your I.Q is in the two digit category, then this statement ought to show you how ignorant you are of my religion but you’re too blinded & crippled by that ego of yours to see.
    So, lets cut to the chase: Take your arian nazi supremacist bs and peddle it somewhere else. You are the barbarian your choices defined you, your murderous history & racial monotony coin you.

    There are two types of ignorance, the 1st that free from prejudice, those whom genuinely don’t know or were mislead (which I can assume the author of this article may have fallen victim to, the tell tale sign is he started his article on an apologetic tone indicating that he knows he may be wrong, ive meerly invited him to further research)
    The second type of ignorance however is incurable, it is of people whose arrogance & prejudices runs so deep that they no longer possess the capacity or will to want to know.
    Youre actually a victim of your own ego which you have allowed to fall prey to media conditioning. Machines with no will or humanity and my referencing the KKK was a reminder of others you stem from, that also catered to such folly.
    And i’m sorry but i have no pity or tolerance for people like you. Your monotony is boring.

    Calling The Prophet an evil one Quran is beyond ignorant, seriously try it; go read the seerah (life time) of the Prophet Mohammed, if theres any humanity left in you, you just ‘may’ wake up. If not….well i’m not surprised.

    Its been boring talking to you

    • Spare me, once again, from your presumptions and your invincible ignorance. You neither know my creed, nor my color, nor my age, nor my background, nor my trials, nor my failings, nor my strengths, nor my blind spots… but you presume you do. Arrogance, you say! I wonder if your kind possesses mirrors. Your projections are thinly veiled and quite apparent to me. I would suggest you are a self-loathing, college-aged, latte-revolutionary. I could be wrong… but I would assume you have a Mac (not a PC), drink Pepsi, and perhaps long for a VW… or Subaru. I have probably hit on 85% of my presumptions about you… whereas you have missed the mark very wide. I wish you only Peace and the Light of the True God.

  5. Not even 1%, you couldn’t be more wrong & I can’t say that i’m surprised.
    I don’t drink pepsi, new fangled lattes or even classical java, in fact i don’t even drink tea, what I drink or what type of computer I use has no relevance to this topic whatsoever, unless however this has some relevance to what you believe makes me evil?!

    I am 40 years old and i have a loving family, I most certainly am not self loathing, I am also respected by all who know me.
    I do not long for a VW or a Subaru. If you think i’m some deprived third world degenerate; jealous of the western worlds luxuries, Then again you’re wrong: I am Middle eastern & already born into a world of luxury and privilege. I long for nothing.
    If anything material wealth has no hold on me. I am fortunate not because of my background of privilege, I am fortunate because Islam is what truly enriches me.
    Had I not been born into Islam, I would have most certainly chosen it because I would have read about it and its humanity and logic would have also appealed to human morality. Islam has given me dignity and the true meaning of freedom & equality.

    So as you see you are not even 1% correct with your armchair garden variety profile assesment so you might as well cease stop making a complete & utter fool of yourself.
    Although i have no tolerance for egotistical hateful bigots, I am very compassionate & giving by nature & lend a patient to the misguided ones who lash out & demonize Islam only due to ignorance about the religion coupled with negative media brainwashing; a media thats owned by zionists with sinister agenda. ( The very same zionist movement that is also anti-christianity & in fact anti humanity for those astute enough to realise)

    As for you’re last wish for me, hoping that ‘The light of the ‘one true god’ finds me: If you mean Jesus Christ (pbuh) born of the Virgin mary, then know that he is my beloved Prophet too & mercy to mankind. Know that he belongs to the long line of prophets & messengers starting with Adam (pbuh) and ending with Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), all of whom were mortal men, they were chosen by God to guide us and were taught by the Angel Gabriel for the one reason which is to deliver to you, me & the rest of mankind the oneness & submission to One God that I know and call Allah.
    If, however by ‘The ”light” of the one true god’ you mention, you mean GAOTU (great architect of the universe) that some fraternity has lured you into worshiping; then know that GAOTU is none other than satan. Also know that THIS is the real reason Islam is being demonized because the teachings of Islam (similar to Christianity & Judaism) warns us of satan & the anti christ. Be reminded of ‘satans vow’ To gather as many sons of Adam to prove to God that mankind is not worthy and satan’s aim is to deliver as many of us to the share the Hell that awaits him because of his (satans) hatred of Adam & his children.
    So: Naturally I denounce Satan he will never illuminate me or be my ‘true God’ I suggest you do the same…..but its youre prerogative

    The Noble Qur’an – Al-Israa’ 17:61-65
    
And (remember) when We said to the angels: “Prostrate unto Adam.” They prostrated except Iblîs (Satan). He said: “Shall I prostrate to one whom You created from clay?”
    [Iblîs (Satan)] said: “See? This one whom You have honoured above me, if You give me respite (keep me alive) to the Day of Resurrection, I will surely seize and mislead his offspring (by sending them astray) all but a few!”
    (Allâh) said: “Go, and whosoever of them follows you, surely! Hell will be the recompense of you (all) an ample recompense.
    “And Istafziz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice, make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children, and make promises to them.” But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.
    “Verily! My slaves (i.e the true believers of Islâmic Monotheism), you have no authority over them. And All-Sufficient is your Lord as a Guardian.”

    All i invite readers to do is IQRA (read) ‘iqra’ which happens to be the very first word in the very first verse that the Angel Gabriel asked the Prophet Mohammed to recite….

    Surah Al-Alaq 96: Quran
    In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful.

    1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists),
    2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
    3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,
    4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)],
    5. Has taught man that which he knew not.
    6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).
    7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.
    8. Surely! Unto your Lord is the return.

    • My point precisely. You do not know God – because you deny the Christ. You deny the Word Made Flesh and instead follow the Dark One. Your allah is not the Creator. Your allah is the dark one himself. The only God is the One God – the Trinitarian God. Your so-called “prophet”, mohammed, was nothing but a misguided man (such as Pilate). And worse, he has since scandalized all of Mankind by deceiving so many otherwise well-meaning people, such as yourself. To compare the Christ, the Ultimate Holocaust, to a mere mortal – in fact, to even suggest He (the Christ and Lord Jesus the Nazarene) stoop so low as to the relative greatness of the Baptist (who himself admitted he was not fit to tie the Lord Jesus’ sandals) is an offense against the Creator. You Muslims think as man thinks… not as God thinks.

      “By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?” Matthew 7:16.

      In fact, if you do not bend the knee to the Christ and acknowledge Him as the Living God, then you cannot call Him even a “Prophet” – unless a Prophet is given to lies. Christ Jesus laid Claim to His Godhead. If you do not believe He and the Creator are one and the same, then you make Him a liar.

      Your minor god, allah, is not my God. My God is the True One and Only God… the Creator of Heaven and Earth… of all that is seen and unseen. Do not insult me by trying to make an equivalence. The Jews I feel sorry for for not accepting the Christ as the Messiah. They will wait forever in vain. The Muslims chose a warlord. The Muslims are fooling themselves in the face of Truth.

      If you are interested in Truth, I point you toward the Christ. I hope you find your way to the one and only God. Peace be with you. I will pray for you and your soul. I do believe you are a seeker. And that is something these days. So you have that going for you.

      btw – once you realize how silly it is to caricature-ize someone else, you have grown a little. So, congratulations. The comparison w a clansman was weak and ineffective. Casting you as a limousine liberal was a manner in which to show you how silly this tact is. And how beneath Reason.

      Go now and sin no more.

      I

      Again

      • they have hearts and yet do not understand, they have eyes and yet do not see, they have ears and yet do not hear; Such people are just like cattle. . . .”

        (Qur’an, al-‘Araaf, 7:179)

    • aisha has revealed themselves to be a 40 yr old, devout, Middle Eastern Muslim.

      Who is “respected’ by everyone they know”. Implicit to that admission is the acknowledgement of conventionality or a life in acquiescence to their societal norms. i.e no individuality or philosophical stances outside the norm. As, to be respected by ‘everyone’ is to either be a saint (disproven by his rhetoric) or to never express an opinion that would ‘rock the boat’.

      aisha is, in my view, a perfect example of a Muslim living in denial of their religion’s theological reality, simply ignoring the parts of the Qur’an that they find uncomfortable.

      That of course is necessary… for participation in the ‘Ummah’ requires the condoning of the inherent violence of the Qur’an. By Western standards and law, that equates to criminal culpability in the violence.

      Thus, Muslims, especially ‘moderate’ Muslims are confronted with a fundamental paradox; to remain Muslim means to participate in the violence by fulfilling Burke’s dictum; “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”.

      But to overtly reject and condemn the violence means to condemn and reject Islam’s tenets and dictates and commit apostasy. Clearly aisha is unwilling to do that and so he is culpable in the violence… regardless of his denials.

      So moderates have to decide, do they stand on the side of love or hate?

      “For a man cannot serve two masters”…he will turn to one or the other”

  6. brittian has also revealed themselves,

    Aisha is a she, not at it, nor a he, but a She. Secondly it’s very narrow minded to assume that because i’m respected by all who know me, doesn’t go to say that I don’t express differences of opinion or rock your proverbial boat. In fact i’m what some may lovingly call opinionated: However in my world, in my upbringing, in my background & my understanding; agreeing to disagree is the height of civility, decorum and respect. You should try it sometime. Consider it 101 of Arabic manners.

    Again, your ‘view’ is clouded by the smog of confusion looming ominously over your head like a bad omen, when you claim that i’m ignorant of my religions theology: An opinion you base according to your personal view. Just because I don’t share your views, on who’s authority are you claiming that i’m uncomfortable with parts of my Quran? I speak Arabic therefore i understand what I read in Quran so i’m not lost, crippled by someones else’s translation; which if I don’t extend you with the same level of disparagement you have lent me & my religion, this may be your case. If however your confusion is not confusion at all & is a calculated, premeditated effort to disinform, then that is something your country is notorious with, then its a sin you will be accounted for when you meet Our God the One God of all.

    As for western standard and law? Are you serious! Your Western standards and laws throughout history have been the crusaders, the colonials, thuggery, genocide, occupation, pillage, ethnic cleansing and its still happening even after you orchestrated 9/11 to justify your occupation of oil rich countries. The violence is your doing I do not accept that you associate me with any of it, thats a red line you shall not cross.
    You, under ‘western law’ condemn & kill your own kind, you dupe your sons into a false ‘dulce et decorum est pro patria mori’ they die to save your failing economy and your dreams of expanding Greater Israel for the coming of the anti Christ.

    We know you will succeed in the expansion, it is foretold in Islam that you will & Israel will be the world power soon enough in preparation for the Dajjal you worship, but the Real Messiah the son of the Virgin Mary will come and he will kill the one eyed dajjal, and that will bring on the day of judgement.

    Tell me what will you do then? What will you tell God when you chose to worship the one eyed lair? Do you really want to end up in eternal fire with Dajal and Satan? For what? A few years of glory on earth. Its an illusion and the trade off is not worth it. Denounce them, save your soul, know that no matter what you have done God is all forgiving.

    I invite you to read the Quraan with the seerah autobiography of Prophet Mohammed. Quran may be confusing unless you understand by reading the seerah, when the verses were revealed and why.

  7. If you believe the Christ was born unto a Virgin. If you believe He died, was buried, and rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures. If you believe He ascended into heaven and is seated at the Right Hand of the Father… and that He will come again in Glory to judge the Living and the dead. Then what say you about His claim as God Incarnate? Like I said, either he is a liar and fraud (and not God) or He is God as He Himself claimed.

    “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” (Exodus 3:14)

    “I am he that beareth witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” (John 8:18)

    If He is a liar, then you must not call Him a “Prophet” – if He is God, then He cannot be ranked behind a prophet (such as you claim Mohammed to be).

    As for Islam’s position on the Unborn – I commend Islam on being against abortion. As for its treatment of women, I abhor Islam. As for its position on non-Muslims, I abhor it. As for its very improper and inaccurate portrayal of the Ever Living, Ever Loving God, I find it sacrilegious and offensive. But the worst sin is to lead astray those who seek the Truth (which is Christ, the Word made Flesh).

    “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.” (Mark 9:42)

    I love you because you are created in the Image and Likeness of God. You, my Muslim sister, have inherent dignity infused into your very essence.

    I plead with you to see the Light, embrace the Light, and pray for your conversion. This is not a personal or political appeal I am making. It is an appeal for your soul. Pray on it. Open your heart to the One and Only Living God. Kneel before the Christ and you will inherit the Eternal Rest.

  8. After the Psalm, but far before the Koran even existed:

    “FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.”

    Go to the source. It’s faster. And to your point, more accurate. No translations of an sort needed. Especially if you speak Aramaic. Barring that, Greek is a fine 2nd choice – or Latin.

    (Matthew 13:15)

  9. More…..Enoch inshallah you will enjoy this message 🙂

    My last post is still unpublished i trust it will be soon.
    I didnt respond to your assumption that Islam detests the non believers

    It is my duty to respond and i hope this will interest you greatly…

    Bism Allah Alrahman Alraheem – in the name of God most Glorious most merciful (geoffrey – he is most merciful may you attain it)

    This is the verse the Islamophobes play on to create divides between us :-

    “Oh you who believe (in this Qur’an), do not take (such) Jews and Christians as friends and allies who themselves are friends and allies of each other. And whoever of you (Muslims) turn to them (with friendship and alliance) becomes, verily, one of them; behold, Allah does not guide such evildoers.”
    (Qur’an, al-Maidah, 5:51) (mind you the translation is innacurate & I shall give you proof below)

    At the time of the revelation of the Qur’an, and for more than a thousand years thereafter, Christians and Jews were locked in a relationship of such mutual hatred that it was impossible to conceive of a future Christian-Jewish reconciliation, friendship and mutual alliance. After all, the Gospel itself had recorded the exclusive Jewish role in the demand for Christ’s crucifixion, in addition to the fact that the Roman government had opposed it (John, 19:4-7).
    Christianity consistently, and quite correctly, blamed the Jews for demanding that crucifixion. It created eternal hostility between the two religious communities.

    However, this extraordinary verse of the Qur’an actually anticipated a time when the world would witness a strange and mysterious reconciliation between these two foes, and the emergence of a Judeo-Christian alliance. It is only in the modern age, when Gog and Magog have attacked Euro-Christianity and Euro-Judaism and have transformed Europe into an essentially godless secular society where men can legally marry men, that the world has witnessed the amazing fulfillment of the divine prophecy in this verse of the Qur’an (See chapter on Gog and Magog in ‘Jerusalem in the Qur’an’).

    It should be clear that the Qur’an has prohibited Muslims from maintaining friendly ties with only that Judeo-Christian alliance and not with all Christians and all Jews. History proves friendships between Muslims & Christians centuries ago – read on

    IMPLICATIONS OF WRONG TRANSLATIONS
    If we were to accept the translation above (or other similar translations) of the verse to be correct, grave contradictions with both the Qur’an and the example of the blessed Prophet himself would emerge.

    Consider the following:

    • The Qur’an specifically permits marriage of a Muslim man to a Christian or Jewish woman: “This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of Ahl al-Kitab (i.e., the Christian and Jewish peoples who possess a divinely revealed scripture) is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers but chaste women among the

    Ahl al-Kitab revealed before your time when ye give them their due dowers and desire chastity not lewdness nor secret intrigues. If anyone rejects faith fruitless is his work and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).” (Qur’an, al-Maidah, 5:5)

    If we accept the above translation of the verse to be correct, a Muslim man would have to inform his Christian or Jewish wife that while she could be his wife, ‘friendship’ between them was strictly prohibited.

    • The Qur’an also permits Muslims to eat Christian and Jewish food (provided such food was made Halal for Christians and Jews) and reciprocates by permitting them to eat Muslim food (Qur’an, al-Maidah, 5:5). The Muslim who invites his Christian neighbor for a meal would have to confess to him, with quite some embarrassment, that while the Qur’an permits him to break bread with his Christian neighbour (i.e., share a meal with him), it has strictly prohibited friendship between them.

    • Prophet Muhammad advised his weakest followers, who were severely persecuted by the pagan Arabs, to flee to black Christian Abyssinia and to seek security and protection there. They did so, and a just Christian King welcomed and protected them. Many years later when the Prophet got the news of that Christian King’s death, he actually offered a funeral prayer for him from the distant city of Madina. Such conduct would be quite inconsistent with the Qur’an if those translations were accepted as correct.

    • Prophet Muhammad himself entered into a political and constitutional alliance with Jews in Madina that brought into being the city—State of Madina; however, the above translations of the verse of the Qur’an prohibited such an alliance.

    • Finally, the Qur’an is specific when it declares that there is no prohibition on Muslims preventing them from maintaining friendly ties with any people (Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Jew, white, black, brown or yellow) who do not wage war on Islam and do not oppress Muslims by expelling them from their homes and their territory in which they reside: “Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for (your)

    Faith nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.”
    (Qur’an, al-Mumtahana, 60:8)

    As was previously explained, the verse of the Qur’an (5:54) does not prohibit Muslims from maintaining friendly relations with all Christians and Jews. Rather it prohibits friendship with only those Christians and Jews who enter into a Judeo-Christian alliance. It does so because such would be the Gog and Magog world-order that would wage war on Islam and expel Muslims from their homes and from the territory in which they reside.

    The Qur’an is quite explicit when it anticipates a time when Jews would be the most hostile of all peoples to Muslims. At that time, says the Qur’an, there would be Christians who would be your best friends:

    “Thou wilt surely find that, of all people, the most hostile to those who believe (i.e., in this Qur’an) would be the Jews, as well as those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Allah (such as the worship of idols) and thou wilt surely find that, of all people, they who say: “Behold, we are Christians” come closest to feeling affection for those who believe (in this Qur’an): this is so because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not given to arrogance.”
    (Qur’an, al-Maidah, 5:82)

    The above does not constitute an indictment of all Jews. Rather it is applicable to only those Jews who wage war on Islam and who expel Muslims from their homes and territory (as has occurred in the Holy Land). It also provides Muslims with a means whereby they can recognize those whom the Qur’an recognizes, in that age, as Christians. They would be a people who would show the closest of affection for Muslims at a time when Jews and idol-worshippers show great hatred for Islam and Muslims.

    Translations of (5:54) based on a misunderstanding of the Qur’an would certainly obstruct the development of fraternal ties between Muslims and such Christians and Jews (and by implication Hindus and Buddhists) on the other, who do not participate in today’s war on Islam.
    Taken from http://www.imranhosein.org/articles/understanding-islam/73-neither-friends-nor-allies.html

    I hope the above clears the misconceptions about the nature of Islam and interfaith relations (this is why i told you to read)

    Now to further prove that Islam is not the evil many choose to believe read the following verses from the Holy Quran 🙂

    3:199 And indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what was revealed to you and what was revealed to them, [being] humbly submissive to Allah . They do not exchange the verses of Allah for a small price. Those will have their reward with their Lord. Indeed, Allah is swift in account.”

    2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

    2:136 Say, [O believers], “We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”

    3:64 Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).

    29:47 And thus We have sent down to you the Qur’an. And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.

    Thank you for giving me the opportunity to further study the Quran & this is how dialogue should be between faiths based on respect and healthy debate.

    SALAM ALAIKUM (peace be upon you)

  10. How curious …the post above went through but the one i wrote on September the 15th didn’t.

    Well here it is again, i hope you read them in the correct order:-

    Enoch

    The reason you innately recognise the likeness between the one teachings of Allah – God Almighty is because the very same teachings were sent to all the prophets & messengers of Allah. It is man who has corrupted & changed it over time. Jesus did not lie, his message was twisted by those with agendas because he faced a very evil people persecuting him Peace be upon him son of Virgin Mary (the most chaste women on Earth)
    Quran-
    And behold! Allah will say: “O ‘Isa the son of Maryam! didst thou say unto men, ‘Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things”.[5:116, 117]

    In the Gospels it say that when Jesus was on the Cross he said “Eli, Eli lama sabachtanni”, that is to say “My Lord, My Lord why have you foresaken me? If he is God then who was he talking to??
    Here is a link showing you how the verses you read from became corrupted & the blessed Prophet Jesus the messiah has been wrongly worshiped as God.

    With regards to your claim that Islam mistreats me I am a woman of Islam & a far better source on this matter than you are. Prophet Mohammed taught us the mercy of Islam & gave me dignity for 1400 years, I am born of people who used to bury female babies alive. I am the best source to tell you that Woman is revered and protected in Islam…I understand that some verses are hard to understand and it is our duty to explain them. But for this matter take my word for it. Know that those who mistreat women do it due to their ignorance of our religion, something they will be held accountable for infront of God Almighty.
    I know it is hard to fathom, just learn & study it and if Allah grants you light thank him if not then at least on the day of Judgment when we all gather to be judged you cannot blame me and say I didnt tell you because I did and I am.

    An interesting fact: Muslims believe in the message of the old uncorrupted Bible messages. In fact, there’s a Verse in the Quran, in which the Quran is talking about itself. It says that it (Al-Quraan) is from Allah (SWT and that in confirms the Books which preceeded it (ie. the Torah and Injeel), but then it says it also “guards over them.”
    The word here in Arabic for “guards over them” is MUHAYMIIN. This word essentially means “quality control.” In a factory the guy at the end of the quality line, who picks out defective products before they can reach the public, is called a MUHAYMIIN. So basically what the Verse is saying is that the Quran agrees with the Torah and Injeel, and acts as quality control over them.
    Muslims should indeed read the Bible (even though it is not the Injeel) to find out what Jesus (PBUH) was actualy trying to say, if you follow his words carefully, you will see that he was indeed preaching ISLAM.
    This is one of the differences between Muslims and Christians, we as muslims believe in their books as it’s from Allah like our book, you on the other hand they don’t believe in our holly book. Although Prophet Mohammed PBUH is mentioned in their books.
    The Prophet Mohammed pbuh is mentioned by name in the Bible (Old Testament) as MUHAMADIN the comforter, i believe in The Song of Solomon
    Also below you will find him mentioned a great deal too
    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/muhammad_bible.htm
    Prophet Mohammed the last & final Prophet peace be upon them all, perfected the message.

    All the negative hype & sensationalism you hear is organized & augmented by the zio-crusader movement that are actually against Not just Islam but also Christianty aswell, they are lead by a mob drunk on world dominion puppeteered by none other than Satan whom they worship in exchange for worldy trinkets & power. Although these people are very intelligent they are spell bound by that whom has betwitched them & their eternal souls are the trade off. I honestly feel empathy towards them as I do not wish such a terrible fate tp befall any son of Adam pbuh.

    Therefore I will leave you with this gift:-

    In The Name Of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful

    “…whereas the life of the world is but matter of illusion ”
    Noble Quran 57:2

    7:1 Alif, Lam, Meem, Sad.
    7:2 [This is] a Book revealed to you, [O Muhammad] – so let there not be in your breast distress therefrom – that you may warn thereby and as a reminder to the believers.
    7:3 Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. Little do you remember.
    7:4 And how many cities have We destroyed, and Our punishment came to them at night or while they were sleeping at noon.
    7:5 And their declaration when Our punishment came to them was only that they said, “Indeed, we were wrongdoers!”
    7:6 Then We will surely question those to whom [a message] was sent, and We will surely question the messengers.
    7:7 Then We will surely relate [their deeds] to them with knowledge, and We were not [at all] absent.
    7:8 And the weighing [of deeds] that Day will be the truth. So those whose scales are heavy – it is they who will be the successful.
    7:9 And those whose scales are light – they are the ones who will lose themselves for what injustice they were doing toward Our verses.
    7:10 And We have certainly established you upon the earth and made for you therein ways of livelihood. Little are you grateful.
    7:11 And We have certainly created you, [O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, “Prostrate to Adam”; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.
    7:12 [ Allah ] said, “What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?” [Satan] said, “I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay.”
    7:13 [ Allah ] said, “Descend from Paradise, for it is not for you to be arrogant therein. So get out; indeed, you are of the debased.
    7:14 [Satan] said, “Reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected.”
    7:15 [ Allah ] said, “Indeed, you are of those reprieved.”
    7:16 [Satan] said, “Because You have put me in error, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path.
    7:17 Then I will come to them from before them and from behind them and on their right and on their left, and You will not find most of them grateful [to You].”
    7:18 [ Allah ] said, “Get out of Paradise, reproached and expelled. Whoever follows you among them – I will surely fill Hell with you, all together.”
    7:19 And “O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat from wherever you will but do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.”
    7:20 But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts. He said, “Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal.”
    7:21 And he swore [by Allah ] to them, “Indeed, I am to you from among the sincere advisors.”
    7:22 So he made them fall, through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And their Lord called to them, “Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy?”
    7:23 They said, “Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers.”
    7:24 [ Allah ] said, “Descend, being to one another enemies. And for you on the earth is a place of settlement and enjoyment for a time.”
    7:25 He said, “Therein you will live, and therein you will die, and from it you will be brought forth.”
    7:26 O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness – that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember.
    7:27 O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe.
    7:28 And when they commit an immorality, they say, “We found our fathers doing it, and Allah has ordered us to do it.” Say, “Indeed, Allah does not order immorality. Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?”
    7:29 Say, [O Muhammad], “My Lord has ordered justice and that you maintain yourselves [in worship of Him] at every place [or time] of prostration, and invoke Him, sincere to Him in religion.” Just as He originated you, you will return [to life] –
    7:30 A group [of you] He guided, and a group deserved [to be in] error. Indeed, they had taken the devils as allies instead of Allah while they thought that they were guided.
    7:31 O children of Adam, take your adornment at every masjid, and eat and drink, but be not excessive. Indeed, He likes not those who commit excess.
    7:32 Say, “Who has forbidden the adornment of Allah which He has produced for His servants and the good [lawful] things of provision?” Say, “They are for those who believe during the worldly life [but] exclusively for them on the Day of Resurrection.” Thus do We detail the verses for a people who know.
    7:33 Say, “My Lord has only forbidden immoralities – what is apparent of them and what is concealed – and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.”
    7:34 And for every nation is a [specified] term. So when their time has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede [it].
    7:35 O children of Adam, if there come to you messengers from among you relating to you My verses, then whoever fears Allah and reforms – there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.
    7:36 But the ones who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them – those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally.
    7:37 And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Those will attain their portion of the decree until when Our messengers come to them to take them in death, they will say, “Where are those you used to invoke besides Allah ?” They will say, “They have departed from us,” and will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.
    7:38 [ Allah ] will say, “Enter among nations which had passed on before you of jinn and mankind into the Fire.” Every time a nation enters, it will curse its sister until, when they have all overtaken one another therein, the last of them will say about the first of them “Our Lord, these had misled us, so give them a double punishment of the Fire. He will say, “For each is double, but you do not know.”
    7:39 And the first of them will say to the last of them, “Then you had not any favor over us, so taste the punishment for what you used to earn.”
    7:40 Indeed, those who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them – the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise until a camel enters into the eye of a needle. And thus do We recompense the criminals.
    7:41 They will have from Hell a bed and over them coverings [of fire]. And thus do We recompense the wrongdoers.
    7:42 But those who believed and did righteous deeds – We charge no soul except [within] its capacity. Those are the companions of Paradise; they will abide therein eternally.
    7:43 And We will have removed whatever is within their breasts of resentment, [while] flowing beneath them are rivers. And they will say, “Praise to Allah , who has guided us to this; and we would never have been guided if Allah had not guided us. Certainly the messengers of our Lord had come with the truth.” And they will be called, “This is Paradise, which you have been made to inherit for what you used to do.”
    7:44 And the companions of Paradise will call out to the companions of the Fire, “We have already found what our Lord promised us to be true. Have you found what your Lord promised to be true?” They will say, “Yes.” Then an announcer will announce among them, “The curse of Allah shall be upon the wrongdoers.”
    7:86 And do not sit on every path, threatening and averting from the way of Allah those who believe in Him, seeking to make it [seem] deviant. And remember when you were few and He increased you. And see how was the end of the corrupters.
    7:87 And if there should be a group among you who has believed in that with which I have been sent and a group that has not believed, then be patient until Allah judges between us. And He is the best of judges.”
    7:174 And thus do We [explain in] detail the verses, and perhaps they will return.
    7:175 And recite to them, [O Muhammad], the news of him to whom we gave [knowledge of] Our signs, but he detached himself from them; so Satan pursued him, and he became of the deviators.
    7:176 And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought.
    7:177 How evil an example [is that of] the people who denied Our signs and used to wrong themselves.
    7:178 Whoever Allah guides – he is the [rightly] guided; and whoever He sends astray – it is those who are the losers.
    7:179 And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless.
    7:180 And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been do

    From Surah Al Áa’raf The Noble and Holy Quran.

    For, Believers are those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a tremor in their hearts, and when they hear His signs rehearsed, find their faith strengthened, and put (all) their trust in their Lord; Noble Quran 8:2

    “Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy” Surat Al-Nisa’a verse 82:

    Salam (Peace)

  11. Aisha – I do appreciate your follow-up and efforts to communicate some of the intricacies of your beliefs. I am fascinated with the study of world religions.

    Let me, holy Spirit willing, illuminate some of the intricacies regarding the reality of Christ the God-Man to further your understanding of Christian theology.

    You asked. “then who was Christ speaking to?” It is a fair question, but not so difficult to answer. In order to reconcile Humankind to Himself, God came to dwell among us. Any offense against God, the Immortal One, is infinite in nature. No pig, sheep, cow, or even human sacrificed to make amends could suffice – as an infinite offense against Eternal God requires a sacrifice infinitely significant in nature. Because no such Perfect Holocaust is to be found among men and beast, the Lord God who so loves his Creation, sent Himself for this mission.

    Jesus was not part God/part man, you see. He was not even a mix of man and God. He was all God, all man. As it served His purposes He permitted Himself all manner of slights. He became lowly for our sake. In His capacity as Perfect Holocaust, Jesus embraced the entirety of the Human experience. In order to do so, He permitted Himself to be a distinct “person” but perfectly united to Himself.

    This is a Mystery of Faith. That God dwelt among Mankind and permitted Himself to be offered up to Himself to reconcile Mankind to God. He so loved the world. Including you.

    Jesus was no prophet. He is King.

  12. Enoch, after all the verses addressing the ‘people of the book’, verses that were delivered to an illiterate man the blessed Prophet Mohammed pbuh; The Quran is addressing youre mindset right now…. and it still didn’t click?
    How about the video above of the oldest Bible where a Christian priest says that Jesus Christ the Messiah pbuh was human? 🙂

    Naturally i respect youre beliefs.

    At least I hope now the evidence provided above has cleared up your misconceptions:-

    “As for its treatment of women, I abhor Islam. As for its position on non-Muslims, I abhor it.”

    I speak on authority that Islam has given women dignity for 1400 years, this is an avenue i will be inshallah (God willing) preparing a proper presentation for & addressing all the misconceptions. I like to study your and other peoples opinions about my religion of Islam so I know exactly what needs to be addressed.
    Many Muslims get upset when they are being ‘verbally attacked’ with derogatory comments about our religion, something i read a great deal about on forums, this i say is not always due to peoples malice but rather it should be seen & responded to for what it is; a desperate cry out for clarification.
    Therefore it is not just an invitation but a requirement of all Muslims to address these questions because we will be held accountable on the day of judgement why we did not to our duty to mankind & spread the message of Allah. Praise be to Allah there is not one contradiction in the Quran or any lack of wisdom in Allahs decree, had there been any trust me, I would have left it long ago & I hope you can read that i am not an ignorant woman to have anything fly by me. Alhamdulliah (thanks to God) i find all my questions answered in Islam (which believe me is more than the questions you put forth!).

    A side note; even the matter of polygamy; a subject that no woman on Earth by nature is happy with (including myself!) but when you see that women are statistically outnumbering men (other than China & India which is due to the one child rule & female abortions) Global statistics show that females outnumbering men & it is on the rise, New York’s ratio alone is 4-1, a number which is not a coincidence. As a woman in Islam I have the God given right to not be part of a polygamous marriage, the fact is few men are polygamous, contrary to popular belief, but then again there are a great many unmarried women in the world, for a religion that does not condone extramarital sex, for some women being in a polygamous marriage may be an only option. Jealousy should not cloud logic (or logistics for that matter) Who knows best than the creator of man for he has made us and knows us best.

    Also I hope that you can now clearly see there is no hatred towards people of other faiths, a horrible misconception that many fall victim to at the unscrupulous hands of the true enemy (of all faiths). No matter how desperate & deliberate the agenda to promote hatred via character assassination of the Prophet or the spreading of all lies, the truth will always prevail.

    Don’t let the irony pass you by that this website aimed to demonize Islam and promote the spreading of further lies, ended up becoming a forum of debate & enlightenment.

    I will not be able to spend as much time gathering more research for Q & A here, as I have to invest my time towards reaching a larger group & hopefully undo at least some the harm the sensationalist misinformants Islam haters have afflicted my religion with. They can come at us with their defiling words and physical aggression, their lies & orchestrated political agendas (see movie below) Although they are aggressive & deceptive & do have brute strength but our strength will always be in the conviction of our faith & our minds & dialogue.

    Regardless of what you say, i know that the verses of the Quran & Islam (peace) has piqued your innerself. Read over everything again & do your own research. I wish you peace

    Salam

  13. Aisha – I do find you fascinating. For several reasons: 1) you are at least reasonable, 2) you are on fire to find God (even though I believe you are mislead by Islam), 3) you actually are willing to speak out.

    As for Islam being maligned: there is only one group of ppl responsible for mortally wounding Islam… and, to your point about irony… it is sadly Muslims.

    The deafening silence after 9/11 and before it… the stoning of women and murder of men without due process, the rates of illiteracy in Muslim countries, the poverty of the same, the inhumanity suffered and tolerated in those countries, the hostility in policy toward religious minorities, and the complete inability to accept responsibility for Islam’s sorry state is quite incredible.

    I am sorry, but Islam is born of the sons of Cain. A bane on Humankind.

    But as I said, I am commanded to love my enemy, to love the sinner and hate the sin.

    May the Trinitarian God illuminate your heart so that you may follow the one and only God and achieve the promises of the Christ. We will agree to disagree. I wish you Peace and Eternal Salvation. I appeal to the Christ an outpouring of His Infinite Mercy at the hour of your death. Peace be with you and yours.

    • Not by me they’re not being blocked! I don’t even know how to block someone…never had to do it. So if you are being blocked its some kind of automatic feature by wordpress. Keep it civil and there should be no problem posting.

      Note to all: On this forum ‘freedom of speech’ does NOT equate to freedom to curse and verbally abuse others.

  14. Im doing it in parts

    Part 1

    I am blocked, I see my post as “Awaiting moderation” status.
    My 5th attempt to post was on September the 19th

    This is my last & final attempt to repost:-

    Enoch

    Several of your comments are difficult to comprehend. 1st of all on your September the 17th post I am quite disturbed when you write about blood sacrifices including that of humans!!!
    No Christian nor Muslim nor Jew or hindu or Buddhist or any religion of God participates in that! In any God fearing religion including Islam it is sacrilegious to take a human live or to even harm any son of Adam.
    Life belongs only to God and only He has the right to give or take it , Only satanic cults & their vile rituals would speak of such unholiness.

    • The point I was making is that the purpose of the Christ (God in the flesh) was absolution. Because human sin is a sin against Infinite Good (God) only an Ultimate Eucharist (God Himself) could be offered to reconcile God to mankind.

  15. Part 2

    Its curious that you refuse to comment on the Priest whos footage i provided showing the worlds oldest bible whereby it states that Jesus was SERVANT of God, not God! The Christian priest said HE (Jesus) Is human and you deliberately dont comment on that? Instead you bypass that valid footage and proof then underhandedly categorize me as some sort of deviant and describe me as “you are willing to speak out” I take offense to such insinuations. What exactly is that supposed to mean “im willing to speak out”!!
    You sound like Geoffry when he said “Aisha has revealed himself” alluding to some defamitory notion the both of you share that i should feel ashamed for some reason because i’m Muslim?! And im explaining my religion?! Wake up, Islam is even taught in George town university and comparative religion.
    Other Muslims much like myself explain our religion everyday and in this taut political climate where hatred is stirred its imperative than ever to defend the vile misinformation (another form of tactical warfare i.e. justification of occupying oil rich countrues) and also clear up misconceptions & hatred. Or is it that you all take offense to pointing a finger at your strategies?

    • Jesus was all man, all God. Again, don’t take my word for it. Take His word for it. For He claimed His Godhead with His own words. Again, either Jesus was a liar or He was being truthful and is God.

      As for your willingness to speak out: that was a compliment, as the silence of Muslims regarding Muslim hate crimes perpetrated by Muslims on other peoples is deafening.

      • So by your definition to the deafening silence of “Muslim hate crimes” I am speaking out about what?
        They have nothing to say, because the Muslim world is wrongly accused! Haven’t you been paying attention?! You’re government is behind ALL of this. Muslims are taught to love all people and we have a responsibility to explain Islam and love all sons of Adam, The Muslim people, much like the American people are the victims of “the great controversy”

        Here Watch this series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8cFnvfmot0&list=FLkmgGmVwpDREojiGpGvgcqw&index=6

      • The Blessed Prophet Jesus Peace Be Upon Him son of the Virgin Mary was NO LAIR, he never lied. You will find no Muslim say otherwise. Only the Jews hated him then and now.
        His teachings were twisted by the politicians and mischief makers. As you can see from the footage of the oldest bible that was intentionally hidden whereby his family refer to him as Servan of God (one God ALLAH swt) This is consistent with the teachings of Islam. This is why we have ONE QURAN one Book, unadulterated , not even one letter in 1400 years and you will find many versions of the bible, changed by man.

  16. Part 3

    Speak out indeed! the absurdity. I wonder how you would describe people that have greatly influenced me, like like Hamza Yusuf of http://www.zaytunacollege.org/ ( A causican American man previously christian & convert to islam)
    Also im inspired by Yusuf Islam w w w .yusufislam.com/ (formerly known as Cat stephens) and Dr Zakir Naik h t t p ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Naik
    Also Amr Khaled h t t p : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amr_Khaled described he New York Times Magazine, in reference to Khaled’s popularity in Arab countries, described him in its April 30, 2006 issue as “the world’s most famous and influential Muslim television preacher.” Amr Khaled has recently been chosen as number 13 of the world’s most influential people by Time Magazine.
    So by your referance & description of me “speaking out”??? Then according to your twisted logic these examples that stand on podiums and give lectures explaining Islam, they would be doing what? Screaming out..duoh!!

  17. Part 4

    I invested my energy to address the gross misconceptions that you claimed that we Muslims hate non muslim people. I spent my time to source & reference verses from the Quran that prove our religion does NOT promote hatred; all of a sudden im some type of deviant! Shame on you.

    You wrote “I am commanded to love my enemy” you call me an enemy when i never called you enemy. A true Christian would never say that. Shame on you twice.

    Finally you make no comment on the 9/11 expose film i posted ABOVE, whereby YOUR scientists and YOUR engineers UNCOVERED hard scientific to irrefutably prove that 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB…you actually dismiss the HOLOCAUST OF 3000 AMERICAN LIVES at the hands of the Government they trust…that means nothing to you? Not a single comment on that?! Im getting suspicious why?!

    As a Christian you dissmiss the biggest crime against humanity, of both the American people and Muslim.
    What type of God fearing logic allows you to justify the deaths of the American people in the towers? The troops deployed to fight a fake war? The 1’5 million Iraqi people massacred (oh yes in a supremacist racist Aryan the deaths of brown coloured skinned people has no value)…And even when you entered Iraq no WMD’s found!
    How can you dissmiss that YOUR GOVERNMENT ACCORDING TO AMERICAN SCIENTISTS AND EXPERTS ORCHESTRATED A SICKENING CHARADE AND MURDERED PEOPLE (and continue to do so) and you shrug it off and flippantly say “BECAUSE OF WOMENS RIGHTS, ILLITERACY & POVERTY!” Puh-leeeeze!!!!!

    Shame on you three times, you should wash your mouth with brimstone and fire.

    • Aisha – how can you say that we are not enemies? From my perspective, you and your kind are servants of the Evil One. From your point of view, I and my kind are servants of the same. We fundamentally disagree on the very nature of God. And you can no more forget the Crusaders than I can forget the Jihadists. But, like I said: “I am commanded to love my enemy.” In my opinion, Islam is a cancer on humanity. A bane to humankind. In my mind, it is a grave error of a meme which has polluted and darkened the minds of millions of people. How could I believe otherwiese?

      • No we are NOT enemies. Muslims and Christians have lived by each other for centuries in Alquds, in Egypt.
        Zionism is the enemy, Zionism is the enemy of all people of the book, including the pure Jews.
        Whomever taught you that Islam hates Christians is ignorant of all religions and you will find an organized political agenda behind all of this. You still havent commented about the footage of the 9/11 scam? 🙂

        How can you believe otherwise? You must rid yourself of preprogrammed prejudice by reading the Quran and Seerah for yourself.

    • Aisha ,
      In Referrence to your claim that american soldiers were sent to murder innocent Iraqis as someone deployed in that war from the begining I can tell you this is retarded. We were not ordered to round up an slaughter Iraqis for the sake of entertainment as you so accuse. I remember being in the streets of Bagdad and people crying and ripping up posters of the Saddam regime! We didn’t order them to do that! They did it on their own. I also remember people coming forward and telling us the US to never abandon them. I remember a woman bursting through a crowd of people with her son about 5 already dead shot by Iraqi police we were training killing one another at night for their paychecks and assuming thug like status. I remember a teacher coming to our check point with a folder fullof documented cases against sexual and phsyical abuse to his students. The professor locked the door to his classroom so as no more students could be harmed and taken from class. Instead they broke in abducted students anyway then killed the professors whole family in front of him raped his wife and his two daughters before also killing them in front of him. How you even go on living after witnessing things like this is hard. I have a daughter and I would not like to think how I would react after something like that. My long point is that we also over threw a tyrant a POS who bullied and murdered thousands to maintain peace. Ever been to a Mass Gravesite? I have…

      No WMDs… right… but, look at all these other cases… Somalia, Iraq, indonesia… starving people people devastated by disasters famine and starvation. The US also goes there to help not slaughter. As soon as something happens the rest of the world screams for our assistance… Afghanistan is where I am now as I right this. I have been to village after village not the just the big bases.. I see kids being blown up by the I.E.Ds emplaced by village elders and their own fathers in order to punish Americans. We make no distinction and render aid to any and all that need it Child, soldier or combatant are all given aid. What if it were a soldier injured… we would be brought back and beheaded as that is the best message illiterates understand. I helped carry a kid murdered by Taliban as he ran to tell us they were hiding in his house.

      I bet you are there as second generation toa rich family or an heritance highly educated. Your other buddy guessed wrong about the car you drive. You are intelligent but likely successful and you most likely drive the other vehicle… A Range Rover! I am glad you are educated.Your welcome you are free to do that in the US we welcome everyone and every religion. I wonder what would happen if I tried to go to Pakistan and set up a christian academy. I would be laughed out of country or captured. Let’s talk women’s rights now… and the recent stoning in Somalia or are you going to tell me somehow somalians confuse the same word of god everyone else interprets…
      http://www.google.com/imgres?q=woman+stoned+in+somalia&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1366&bih=673&tbm=isch&tbnid=Q4bMwdl6T3kYRM:&imgrefurl=http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/islams-love-for-women-stoned-to-death-in-somalia/&docid=4BURO5uF_5aUPM&imgurl=http://shariaunveiled.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/stoning-of-a-woman-in-somalia.jpg%253Fw%253D627%2526h%253D500&w=627&h=500&ei=laubUOGJH6Sh4gShy4CICw&zoom=1

      • Jay, welcome and thank you for your service to our country. Unfortunately, the factual rebuttal you offer aisha is most probably wasted. I would welcome being in error but my perception is that aisha is at least an apologist for Islam and at worst actively involved in Taqqiyya. The Islamic practice of intentionally lying, which Islam condones and even promotes when Muslims are not in control of a country.

        Aisha purports to be a moderate Muslim and argues that Islam is not violent. Claiming Islam to be a peaceful religion defies reality and the first study I have seen provides insight into just how many American Muslim’s believe in America’s traditional virtues…

        Guess who U.S. Muslims are voting for

        “Poll finds what they really think about Constitution, Shariah

        Almost half of those Muslims surveyed – an astonishing 46 percent – said they believe those Americans who offer criticism or parodies of Islam should face criminal charges,” said pollster Fritz Wenzel in an analysis of the survey’s results.

        Even more shocking: One in eight respondents said they think those Americans who criticize or parody Islam should face the death penalty”

        40% said Muslims in America should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution, but by Islamic Shariah law.

        32 percent – believe Shariah should be the supreme law of the land in the United States

        58 percent said criticism of their religion or of Muhammad should not be allowed under the Constitution

        Only 19 percent said they “strongly agree” with the idea that Americans have a right to invite Muslims to consider another faith.

        Based on these findings its fair to say that only 20% of Muslims in America agree with our fundamental freedoms.

  18. Anyone who is part of a fraternity that encourages the worship of ‘the supreme being’ (Lucifer) please please disassociate yourselves from that immediately & save your souls. I speak out of compassion.
    None deserves worship except God whom we all return to on the day of rekoning

    The one eyed (all seeing eye) you subscribe to is none other than the One eye of the Dajjal (anti christ) Please look up “Dajjal one eye Islam” & know the real meaning behind that ancient symbol.
    All the prophets from Adam to Moses to Noah to Jesus to Mohammed pbuh warned their people of the Masseh ildajjal (the false one eyed Messiah) but his description was only revealed to Prophet Mohammed (the last and final prophet) that the Dajjal is blind in one eye and the other eye is bulging like a grape: This is the origin of the ‘eye of lucifer’, Satan has deceived you into worshipping, that eye represents the one eye of the Dajjal. Satan (the demonic fallen ‘spirit’s’ promises are ALL lies.

    Usually we only alert ourselves of these facts, but I reach out to you and alert you too.
    Because of the animosity and fear no one cares to advise you or tell you the truth that Satan/Lucifer/Azazel is decieving you, because he is doomed to hell his ONLY goal is to take the souls of the deceived with him, it was a challenge to God.
    You see when he refused to bow down to Adam, your father and mine. He (satan) vowed to God to prove that we Bani Adam (sons of Adam) are unworthy and he swore that he would lead us astray and take us (sons of Adam) to hell with him.
    Lucifer tells his followers that its a misunderstanding that God was unfair to him, its a lie. Havent you noticed that he focuses on beauty, because of his pride that he is made from ‘borrowed light or fire’ which he believes is more worthy than us made from clay.

    This is the truth from the Quran:-

    In the name of God most gracious most merciful

    Al-Hijr 15:26-42
    26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
    27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
    28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: “I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
    29. “So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him.”
    30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.
    31. Except Iblîs (Satan), – he refused to be among the prostrators.
    32. (Allâh) said: “O Iblîs (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?”
    33. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: “I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.”
    34. (Allâh) said: “Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajîm (an outcast or a cursed one).” [Tafsîr At-Tabarî]
    35. “And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection).”
    36. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: “O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected.”
    37. Allâh said: “Then, verily, you are of those reprieved,
    38. “Till the Day of the time appointed.”
    39. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: “O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.
    40. “Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them.”
    41. (Allâh) said: “This is the Way which will lead straight to Me.”
    42. “Certainly, you shall have no authority over My slaves, except those who follow you of the Ghâwîn (Mushrikûn and those who go astray, criminals, polytheists, and evil-doers, etc.).

    Also:-
    “And Shaytaan (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: ‘Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zaalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers)’”[Ibrahim 14:22]
    (Satan) said: Because you have sent me astray, surely. I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.Then I will come to them from their front and rear, their right and left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones. (Al-Araaf: 16-17).
    Allah says, (Their allies deceived them) like Satan, when he says to man: Disbelieve in Allah! But when (man) disbelieves in Allah, Satan says: I am free of you, I fear Allah, the Lord of all the worlds. So the end of both will be that, they will be in the Fire abiding therein. Such is the recompense of the wrong-doers (Al-Hashr: 16-17).


    I hope that all sons of Adam, all of us have Gods mercy , He is all forgiving.
    Fear God, not people or Lucifer Please renounce the deceiver Lucifer & the one eyed false messiah and save your souls from the fate of Satan in hell.
    All humans have the breath of God in us, we are loved by God, we are not forsaken by God. Lucifer is!
    The repentant is received with great joy in the eyes of God, there is no sin that will not be forgiven.

    I wish everyone peace and true enlightenment.

    Your sister in Islam (peace – salam )

    Aisha

    • I also wish you Peace in this lifetime… to you and your loved ones. And to the world. I also pray that when the hour of your death approaches, St. Michael and the Blessed Virgin Mary will protect and keep you from the wiles of the Evil One. I pray that you and yours receive the Lord Christ’s Infinite Mercy and that you receive the promises of the same Jesus Christ.

      God Bless and keep you, Aisha. I do appreciate your mind.

      Your brother in Christ, Enoch.

  19. Aisha – I will respond to your assertions relating to the 9/11 massacre in a moment. First, there is no doubt in my mind that the US’s close relations with the Saudis is absolutely corrupt. Second, I am not a fan of Zionism… which is comprised predominately of atheist “jews”. If i had my way, the US would rely on our own vast oil resources instead of propping up Muslim dictatorships with oil and security revenues. Likewise, I would prefer the US cut off nearly all foreign aid to Israel (as well as the Palestinians). I would even go further to say that if I had my way, I would let the “muslims” and “jews” slaughter each other rather than have US blood and treasure be spent on “peace” when Peace is the last thing the sons of Cain want for themselves. They are, all of them, leeches on Western Civilization.

    Your assertion regarding a Godless Europe is accurate. And the same thing is happening in the US… the reason for this is, frankly, that Christianity has been replaced by statism. And since the glory of Europe had its roots and origins in Christianity, it can no longer stand having now forsaken it. It occurs to me that great civilizations arise on foundations of Truth… whether philosophically or philosophically. This explains a great deal to me about why I can think of no great Muslim or Jewish civilization. None occurs to me whatsoever. One must ask why this is. It seems that in the absence of a properly-informed conscience, societies are doomed to fail.

    As for 9-11. I really don’t know what to say except that while I am tempted to believe in conspiracy (as I hate the government), I am a proponent of Occam’s Razor. “Occam’s razor, also known as Ockham’s razor, and sometimes expressed in Latin as lex parsimoniae (the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness), is a principle that generally recommends selecting from among competing hypotheses the one that makes the fewest new assumptions.” (Wikipedia). What this means is that, as desirable it is to think that it was an inside job, it is far more probable that a bunch of disgruntled Muslim madmen flew the planes into those buildings. I have watched every bit of evidence provided by every manner of source (it happened in my country after all) and my conclusion is that Osama Bin Laden was guilty of coordinating the attacks on World Trade.

    Let me be clear: I hate our government. I resent our government. I believe that it has been largely hijacked by corrupt and very dark, dark forces. Evil forces are no doubt manipulating public sentiment and no doubt they have an overarching goal and real contempt for the people of the world. Make no mistake. I do believe that the Zionists dominate our policy vis a vis the Middle East.

    But let me add this as well: perhaps the only force darker than the Zionists are the Jihadists. This is my opinion. But it is shared by many of my kind. The Irish have a saying: “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Whatever God’s plan is for the world, I expect not to see the outcome. In the meanwhile, I answer to only one Authority: God.

    I am an American by birth. I am a Christian by choice. I am a Papist and do not expect peace on Earth. Not until the Second Coming of Our Lord and Savior, the Christ Exultant.

  20. Enoch to say no civilization comes to mind when you think about Muslim civilization speaks volumes about your knowledge.

    Medieval Europe was a place of violence, barbarism and ignorance.
    Blind bigotry and barbarity ruled society.
    Measures such as forcible conversions, torture, and slaughter in the name of religion had spread all over Europe.
    Medieval Europe first made the acquaintance of Islam with the founding of the Andalusian Ummayyad state.
    With the Ottomans, regarded as one of the greatest empires in the history of the world, Islamic virtue and culture led to major advances on the continent.
    Many historians and sociologists today openly state that Islam played a major role in the development of the European culture.
    Islam, which first entered Europe through Andalusia, is having an even greater impact on the region today.

    I suggest you (and everyone) see “When the Moors ruled in Europe”
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-768956312207897325

    • “Medieval Europe was a place of violence, barbarism and ignorance.
      Blind bigotry and barbarity ruled society.

      Measures such as forcible conversions, torture, and slaughter in the name of religion had spread all over Europe.”

      Sounds like the Arab countries of the present.

  21. Finally Enoch

    You keep referring to the blessed Prophet Mohammed as ‘the evil one’ I must finally ask you to kindly and respectfully stop and keep your comments to yourself, you will be judged for them on the day of judgement. Just because you dont know him nor have you made an effort to know him (similar to your lack in effort in reading up on Muslim civilizations and what Islam has laid the foundations to the modern world science, astrology, math and medicine). Not knowing about the Prophet Mohammed is indeed your grave loss, however it doesnt give you the right to pass judgement based on your unfortunate lack of information.

    I wont give you examples from people from my world, ill just quote the opinions of great minds on the Prophet from YOUR world.

    According to the Quran, Prophet Muhammad was the most excellent example for all of humanity. Even non-Muslim historians recognize him to be one of the most successful personalities in history.

    George Bernard Shaw said ” I have studied him, the wonderful man. and in my opinion, far from being an anti-christ, he must be called the savior of humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.”
    [The Genuine Islam, Volume 1. No 81936]

    Thomas Carlyle on the Prophet Mohammed “Such sincerity as we named it has in truth something of divine” Also “Al-ameen, the faithful- A man of truth and fidelity; true in what he did and what he spake and thought”
    “I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind… I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.”
    English author Thomas Carlyle in his ‘Heroes and Hero Worship’, was simply amazed: “How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades.”

    “His complete biography has been authenticated and circulated amongst scholars around the world starting while he was still alive and continuing up until today.” One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms:

    (Regarding Muhammad) “… a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men.” [Vol. 12]

    Mahatma Ghandi said “The more I study the more i discover that the strength of islam does not lie in the sword”

    [A sikh journalist in ‘Nawan Hindustan’ Delhi 1947] wrote, “He preferred migrating than fighting his own people, but when oppression went beyond the pale of tollerance, he took up the sword in self defense. Those who believe religion can be spread by force are fools”

    “If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and astounding results, are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Mohammed?” [ Lamartine, “Historie de la turquie”, Paris 1854]

    Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, “The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History.” He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:

    “My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level.”
    [Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.]

    “Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope’s claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support. He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.”
    [Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith wrote in “Mohammed & Mohammedanism” in 1946]

    Even though you may not ponder the words of others or you are somehow impermeable to light, i hope that the examples i have provided of well respected international & historical figures may be of benefit to others

    Salam

    • I’ve no doubt he was a successful leader. I’ve no doubt he was a man of influence. But alas. a man was he. I revere only one: the Christ Himself. Sorry, but even the greatest man pales to his Creator. The children of Mohammed are devotees of thoughts he gave birth to. In this respect, he is culpable for their scandals. You and I will not agree. Nor will our children. Nor will our children’s children… and so forth and so on. I wish you peace.

      • Enoch

        I have more clarification of how our Prophet Mohammed protected and treated the Christians


        If it doesnt open go to youtube and look up The Holy Prophet Muhammad ‘s Letter to the Monks of St. Catherine in Mt. Sinai
        Also must see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xinxEsM45kc&list=PL59F556CFECCB078A&index=2&feature=plpp_video
        again if it cant open go to youtube and search for Prophet mohammad’s Oath to the christians

        The Treaty with the Nazareans (Christians) of Najran:

        (i) The residents of Najran are bound to pay as taxes two thousand hullah’s (certain kind of garment) to the Muslims every year in two instalments.

        (ii) The emissaries of Muhammad (S) would be offered hospitality by them for one month or less, whereas the emissaries’ stay there would not exceed one month.

        (iii) In case of battle in the region of Yemen, the people of Najrim, as a token of friendship and cooperation, would make available 30 coats of mail, 30 horses and 30 camels as a guaranteed loan for the Muslim army.

        (iv) The people of Najran and their surrounding areas would be under the protection of God and His Prophet (S); their lives, property and places of worship would be also safe; and their bishops and priests would be free to continue performing their duties without any hindrance from anybody.

        (v) No one is entitled to exile them from their land or extract tithe (`ushr) from them or launch a military attack against them.

        (vi) Every person from among them who makes a legitimate claim would be treated with justice.

        (vii) No person from among them would be held responsible for the crime committed by others of his faith.

        (viii) The people of Najran promise to abstain from usury (ribd), otherwise Muhammad (S) would revoke terms of friendship with them and would not be bound to stick to the treaty. [9]

        The Pact with the Jews:

        When the Prophet (S) migrated to al‑Madinah, he concluded a treaty between the Jews and the Emigrants (al Muhajirun) and the Supporters (al‑’Ansar), whose text has been preserved in history. Some highlights of that treaty, relevant to our discussion, are given below:

        (i) Every Jew who abides by this pact would benefit from our help and friendship and there would be no discrimination between him and Muslims, and nobody would be allowed to violate his rights and befriend. his enemy.

        (ii) At the time of war the Jews would be required to pay their share of the expenses incurred in war.

        (iii) The Jews are free to act upon their faith, and Muslims upon their faith.

        (iv) Anybody who declares war against any of the parties of this treaty would be fought against unitedly by both the Muslims and the Jews, and each of the allies would meet his part of the war expenditure.

        (v) The Jews and Muslims declare to be committed to cooperate for the well‑being and welfare of each other, but not in the matters of sin and evil.

        (vi) The signatories of this treaty would defend al‑Madinah unitedly. [6]

        As we see the Prophet (S) made three kinds of pacts with the unbelievers in the light of this treaty:

        (1) A pact of mutual defence and sharing of the war expenditure.

        (2) Freedom of the performance of religious rites.

        (3) Mutual cooperation in matters of welfare and good deeds.

  22. Geffory, you sound like an intelligent man…The info ive provided so far and the aforementioned list ought to enlighten you too! Open both eyes my friend, God gave you two, abandon the one eyed one

  23. Also Geff for you an aya from the Holy Quran, surah Al Imran: 31. Say: “If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive
    you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

    Only Allah owns his 99 names ( have placed a * besides the one you need to know and inshallah find repose in)

    99 Names of Allah

    Allah
    Allah, He who has the Godhood which is the power to create the entities.

    Ar-Rahmaan
    The Compassionate, The Beneficient, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

    ***Ar-Raheem
    The Merciful, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers. ( you will see again and again how Allah is forgiving in his names, it is a decietful misconception to portray Islam as unforgiving…those who believe that are ignorant and have not read)

    Al-Malik
    The King, The Sovereign Lord, The One with the complete Dominion, the One Whose Dominion is clear from imperfection.

    Al-Quddoos
    The Holy, The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries.

    As-Salaam
    The Source of Peace, The One who is free from every imperfection.

    ****Al-Mu’min
    Guardian of Faith, The One who witnessed for Himself that no one is God but Him. And He witnessed for His believers that they are truthful in their belief that no one is God but Him.

    Al-Muhaimin
    The Protector, The One who witnesses the saying and deeds of His creatures.

    ***Al-^Azeez
    The Mighty, The Strong, The Defeater who is not defeated. (Satan , or his one eyed accomplice, the false messaiah whom is being prepared for by the decieved followers of the nwo, promises of a ‘war’ if you read quran you will know that Allah has the power to dissapear us inbetween the Kaf and the Noun of Kun fayakoon: Allah cannot be defeated. Lucifer is a psychopath he is created by Allah he knows it and he will forfeit all his followers on the day of judgement.

    Al-Jabbaar
    The Compeller, The One that nothing happens in His Dominion except that which He willed.

    Al-Mutakabbir
    The Majestic, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures and from resembling them.

    Al-Khaaliq
    The Creator, The One who brings everything from non-existence to existence.

    Al-Bari’
    The Evolver, The Maker, The Creator who has the Power to turn the entities.

    Al-Musawwir
    The Fashioner, The One who forms His creatures in different pictures.

    ****Al-Ghaffaar
    The Great Forgiver, The Forgiver, The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again. (forgiveness in Allah is so abundant that it is the most repeated attribute to him….However Satan – lucifer’s fate is sealed as was revealed in the Quran and the verses I have added above…May Allah steer you clear of lucifer and his illusions)

    Al-Qahhaar
    The Subduer, The Dominant, The One who has the perfect Power and is not unable over anything.

    Al-Wahhaab
    The Bestower, The One who is Generous in giving plenty without any return. He is everything that benefits whether Halal or Haram.

    Al-Razzaaq
    The Sustainer, The Provider.

    Al-Fattaah
    The Opener, The Reliever, The Judge, The One who opens for His slaves the closed worldy and religious matters.

    Al-^Aleem
    The All-knowing, The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge.

    Al-Qaabid
    The Constricter, The Retainer, The Withholder, The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdomand expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.

    Al-Baasit
    The Expander, The Englarger, The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdomand expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.

    Al-Khaafid
    The Abaser, The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.

    Ar-Raafi^
    The Exalter, The Elevator, The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.

    ***Al-Mu^iz
    The Honorer, He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; And He degrades whoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.

    Al-Muthil
    The Dishonorer, The Humiliator, He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; And He degrades whoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.

    As-Samee^
    The All-Hearing, The Hearer, The One who Hears all things that are heard by His Eternal Hearing without an ear, instrument or organ.

    Al-Baseer
    The All-Seeing, The One who Sees all things that are seen by His Eternal Seeing without a pupil or any other instrument.

    Al-Hakam
    The Judge, He is the Ruler and His judgment is His Word.

    Al-^Adl
    The Just, The One who is entitled to do what He does.

    Al-Lateef
    The Subtle One, The Gracious, The One who is kind to His slaves and endows upon them.

    Al-Khabeer
    The Aware, The One who knows the truth of things.

    ***Al-Haleem
    The Forebearing, The Clement, The One who delays the punishment for those who deserve it and then He might forgive them. (only if they repent, Lucifer’s fate is sealed, his fire will be burnt by a fire 70 times hotter than earths fire)

    Al-^Atheem
    The Great One, The Mighty, The One deserving the attributes of Exaltment, Glory, Extolement,and Purity from all imperfection.

    *****Al-Ghafoor
    The All-Forgiving, The Forgiving, The One who forgives a lot. ( you will see how many times Allahs forgivness is found in his names and characteristics…I hope you seek it)

    Ash-Shakoor
    The Grateful, The Appreciative, The One who gives a lot of reward for a little obedience.

    Al-^Aliyy
    The Most High, The Sublime, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures.

    Al-Kabeer
    The Most Great, The Great, The One who is greater than everything in status.

    Al-Hafeeth
    The Preserver, The Protector, The One who protects whatever and whoever He willed to protect.

    Al-Muqeet
    The Maintainer, The Guardian, The Feeder, The Sustainer, The One who has the Power.

    ***Al-Haseeb
    The Reckoner, The One who gives the satisfaction. (whom we return to on the day of reckoning)

    Aj-Jaleel
    The Sublime One, The Beneficent, The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.

    Al-Kareem
    The Generous One, The Bountiful, The Gracious, The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.

    ***Ar-Raqeeb
    The Watcher, The Watchful, The One that nothing is absent from Him. Hence it’s meaning is related to the attribute of Knowledge.

    ***Al-Mujeeb
    The Responsive, The Hearkener, The One who answers the one in need if he asks Him and rescues the yearner if he calls upon Him. ( Seek true illumination)

    Al-Wasi^
    The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Knowledgeable.

    Al-Hakeem
    The Wise, The Judge of Judges

    ***Al-Wadood
    The Loving, The One who loves His believing slaves and His believing slaves love Him. His love to His slaves is His Will to be merciful to them and praise them:Hence it’s meaning is related to the attributes of the Will and Kalam (His attribute with which He orders and forbids and spoke to Muhammad and Musa -peace be upon them- . It is not a sound nor a language nor a letter.).
    (Allahs love for us, bani Adam – Sons of Adam , is unfathomable. You know who is most loved by Allah? The sinner who truly repents, Allah forgives ALL his sins no matter what they are. The only unforgivable sin, is polytheism: worship of anything other than Allah…Notice that worshiping lucifer is one of the rites to gain his favor, it is the unforgivable blasphemy, Lucifer knows and tricks humans with ‘illusions’ and trinkets and worldly gains to satisfy his arrogance when he fell victim to his pride and didnt bow to Adam; this is his challenge to Allah that he will take as many of us with him to hell….who in their right mind would choose temporary earth (with all its shortcomings) over heaven? Who would choose lucifer’s betrayal and lies over Allahs LOVE….when you repent and submit to the one true God , God is so happy he takes pride in us and loves us.
    You know why? Adam and us we repent when we wrong, satan is incapable of repentance he had a chance and blew it, his fate is sealed. What does it take to repent….say Astaghfur Allah, Forgive me Allah, and mean it & gain His love in return…something lucifer will never have!!

    Al-Majeed
    The Most Glorious One, The Glorious, The One who is with perfect Power, High Status, Compassion, Generosity and Kindness.

    ***Al-Ba^ith
    The Reserrector, The Raiser (from death), The One who resurrects His slaves after death for reward and/or punishment. ( a fate that iblees – azazel – satan – lucifer – gatou – cannot escape!)

    Ash-Shaheed
    ****The Witness, The One who nothing is absent from Him.

    Al-Haqq
    The Truth, The True, The One who truly exists.

    Al-Wakeel
    The Trustee, The One who gives the satisfaction and is relied upon.

    Al-Qawiyy
    The Most Strong, The Strong, The One with the complete Power.

    ***Al-Mateen
    The Firm One, The One with extreme Power which is un-interrupted and He does not get tired. (nor does he need rituals or mediums – worshiping Allah is direct )

    ***Al-Waliyy
    The Protecting Friend, The Supporter.

    ***Al-Hameed
    The Praiseworthy, The praised One who deserves to be praised.

    Al-Muhsee
    The Counter, The Reckoner, The One who the count of things are known to him.

    Al-Mubdi’
    The Originator, The One who started the human being. That is, He created him.

    Al-Mu^eed
    The Reproducer, The One who brings back the creatures after death.

    Al-Muhyi
    The Restorer, The Giver of Life, The One who took out a living human from semen that does not have a soul. He gives life by giving the souls back to the worn out bodies on the resurrection day and He makes the hearts alive by the light of knowledge.

    ***Al-Mumeet
    The Creator of Death, The Destroyer, The One who renders the living dead. (on the day of judgement Allah will take the lives of all, everything, in the cosmos! He will fold the skys and flatten the earth and call the arrogants “where are the kings today…I am the king”

    Al-Hayy
    The Alive, The One attributed with a life that is unlike our life and is not that of a combination of soul, flesh or blood.

    Al-Qayyoom
    The Self-Subsisting, The One who remains and does not end.

    Al-Waajid
    The Perceiver, The Finder, The Rich who is never poor. Al-Wajd is Richness.

    **Al-Waahid
    The Unique, The One, The One without a partner. (creator of everything and to His will we bekon)

    Al-Ahad
    The One.

    As-Samad
    The Eternal, The Independent, The Master who is relied upon in matters and reverted to in ones needs.

    ***Al-Qaadir
    The Able, The Capable, The One attributed with Power.

    ***Al-Muqtadir
    The Powerful, The Dominant, The One with the perfect Power that nothing is withheld from Him. (He reads what is in the hearts of all)

    **Al-Muqaddim
    The Expediter, The Promoter, The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills. (if it were not for Allah none of us would be here to make our choices…these are our tests)

    ***Al-Mu’akh-khir
    The Delayer, the Retarder, The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills. ( Satan has this time to beguille, but lucifers fate awaits him and those who follow him)

    ***Al-‘Awwal
    The First, The One whose Existence is without a beginning. (From his will were we created, anyone who claims Godliness cannot create a living creature)

    ***Al-‘Akhir
    The Last, The One whose Existence is without an end. ( To HIM we all return)

    Az-Zaahir
    The Manifest, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.

    Al-Baatin
    The Hidden, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.

    Al-Walee
    The Governor, The One who owns things and manages them.

    ***Al-Muta^ali
    The Most Exalted, The High Exalted, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creation. (only He is supreme)

    Al-Barr
    The Source of All Goodness, The Righteous, The One who is kind to His creatures, who covered them with His sustenance and specified whoever He willed among them by His support, protection, and special mercy.

    ***At-Tawwaab
    The Acceptor of Repentance, The Relenting, The One who grants repentance to whoever He willed among His creatures and accepts his repentance. ( you will see that Allahs forgiveness is yours to take, this characteristic of Allah is so strong the meaning of forgiveness is mentioned many times in his names!)

    ***Al-Muntaqim
    The Avenger, The One who victoriously prevails over His enemies and punishes them for their sins. It may mean the One who destroys them. (this fate awaits Satan and all whom follow him, may Allah open bani adams eyes before its too late!)

    ***Al-^Afuww
    The Pardoner, The Forgiver, The One with wide forgiveness. ( All sons of Adam whom return to Allah and renounce our sins and repent are guaranteed forgiveness, you more that I are loved by Allah, i had it easy to be born into Islam, you whom turns to it are dearer in Allahs eyes)

    **Ar-Ra’uf
    The Compassionate, The One with extreme Mercy. The Mercy of Allah is His will to endow upon whoever He willed among His creatures. (it is within your grasp, i promise Allah is most forgiving when we truly repent)

    Malik Al-Mulk
    The Eternal Owner of Sovereignty, The One who controls the Dominion and gives dominion to whoever He willed.

    ***Thul-Jalali wal-Ikram
    The Lord of Majesty and Bounty, The One who deserves to be Exalted and not denied.

    *Al-Muqsit
    The Equitable, The One who is Just in His judgment. (inevitable that we will face it)

    ***Aj-Jaami^
    The Gatherer, The One who gathers the creatures on a day that there is no doubt about, that is the Day of Judgment. (May Allah protect us all and open our eyes)

    **Al-Ghaniyy
    The Self-Sufficient, The One who does not need the creation. (we need Him, HE doesnt need us!)

    *Al-Mughni
    The Enricher, The One who satisfies the necessities of the creatures.

    Al-Maani^
    The Preventer, The Withholder.

    Ad-Dhaarr
    The Distresser, The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.

    *An-Nafi^
    The Propitious, The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.

    *An-Noor
    The Light, The One who guides.

    *Al-Haadi
    The Guide, The One whom with His Guidance His belivers were guided, and with His Guidance the living beings have been guided to what is beneficial for them and protected from what is harmful to them.

    Al-Badi^
    The Incomparable, The One who created the creation and formed it without any preceding example.

    *Al-Baaqi
    The Everlasting, The One that the state of non-existence is impossible for Him.

    ***Al-Waarith
    The Supreme Inheritor, The Heir, The One whose Existence remains. (I swear by Allah that lucifer will perish in fire, everything he says is lies, only Allah AL WARITH the creator of everything including lucifer will inherit everything, our fate lies in Allahs hands, Lucifers fate is doomed, his challenge is to drag as many Bani Adams (Sons of Adam) with him to hell, he hates us!)

    *Ar-Rasheed
    The Guide to the Right Path, The One who guides.

    As-Saboor
    The Patient, The One who does not quickly punish the sinners.

    and to (ONLY TO) Him is a return ….May the light of Islam return you to La ilaha illa Allah and save your eternal soul

    I hope that you realise how you have wronged yourself and ascribed to wronging others via this article and if my assesment of you is correct you know what i mean when i emphasise how you wronged yourself , but Allah is most forgiving when you repent

    • aisha,
      My apologies for the delay in responding.

      However, all that you cite above is irrelevant. That is because the devotion of Muslims to Allah is not in dispute.

      What is relevant are Mohammad’s actions, as taken from Muslim holy texts. What is relevant is the universally accepted Islamic doctrine that when contradiction in Mohammad’s words (and actions) is discovered, that the later words take precedence over the earlier words of Mohammad.

      Your prophet’s earlier pronouncements are indeed peaceful but the later pronouncements of Mohammad are hateful in the extreme; excusing theft, rape, slavery, murder and even genocide. When viewed objectively, the conclusion that Islam is blatantly misogynistic and genocidal is inescapable. That is as taken from Islamic holy texts… so there is no factual dispute in this manner.

      Should you deny this, you would simply expose yourself to be intellectually dishonest and therefore further discussion with you but a waste of time. As, to the degree we are dishonest with ourselves, to that degree are we dishonest with others. If you practice Islamic Taqiyya, that is merely dishonest and dishonorable rationalization.

      Again, the devotion of Muslims is unquestionable. Muslims allegiance to a ‘prophet’ and ‘god’ who condones and even encourages violence against those who are not Muslim is an abomination and no part of “the people of the book’s” heritage.

      The simple truth is that you follow a false prophet and are effectively, the agent of Satan, not God, for Satan utilizes the coercion of pain and violence to achieve his aims. While God promotes love and patience with his ‘lost’ sheep who have strayed from righteousness. No matter how recalcitrant the sinner, God never promotes violent retaliation against those who have sinned, much less against those who live a righteous life while following another path.

      Mohammad’s ‘religion’ is diametrically opposed to ‘love thy neighbor’ and “turning the other cheek”, and nowhere in the Old Testament, does God proclaim that non-Jews should be compelled to accept Judaism’s God. Islam is incompatible with the religious foundations upon which it is grafted and no amount of rationalization can resolve that conflict. Your own holy texts prove it and disprove all your claims and rationalizations.

  24. daaaaaang i’ve never seen such a heated religious debate and all i came for is some pictures for an assignment lol

  25. @ G Britain
    1st of all the word ‘Taqqiya’ is a zionist construct, it is invented by the think tank zionist propaganda machine to justify and lull the world (especially America) into waging Israels wars on its behalf for manaical world dominion.
    Judging by your other posts it is clear that you are part of that set up or you are a victim of its poison.
    However I shall give the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter and ask you to offer proof of your false claims

    “the later pronouncements of Mohammad are hateful in the extreme; excusing theft, rape, slavery, murder and even genocide. When viewed objectively, the conclusion that Islam is blatantly misogynistic and genocidal is inescapable. That is as taken from Islamic holy texts… so there is no factual dispute in this manner.”

    Give me quotes and proof and i shall prove you wrong.
    @ Anthony you havent troubled yourself to read my input (yet another lazy reader)
    @ Amazed American , i hope you have been enlightened and learned some truth in what is now being used as a web of lies against Islam…I point you towards a Christian American Blog , that you will find truth being spoken by one of your kind, non arab, non muslim

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/ < — STRONGLY RECCOMENDED READING FOR ALL – Instead of the lies you find here

  26. Taqiyya, as you well know aisha, is NOT a Zionist construct but supported in the Quran. See: Wikipedia’s article on Taqiyya
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
    TAQIYYA:
    Bukhari:V7B67N427
    “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'”

    You want quotes? Sure, no problem. Your ‘holy books’ provide a plenty!
    MURDER AND WAR:
    “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'” Ishaq:327
    “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides…their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.” Qur’an 5:33
    “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.” Qur’an:4:94
    “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” Qur’an:9:5
    “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.” Qur’an:9:29
    “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.” Qur’an:8:39
    “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).” Qur’an:8:39
    “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'” Ishaq:324
    “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.” Qur’an:9:14
    “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.” Ishaq:587
    [emphasis mine]

    MISOGYNISTIC:
    “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.” Tabari IX:113
    “The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.’ When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.'” Bukhari:V1B22N28
    “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.” Qur’an 4:15
    “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.'” Bukhari:V3B48N826
    “Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.” Ishaq:584
    “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here’s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.” Qur’an 24:34

    THEFT:
    “The Messenger divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.” Tabari VIII:38
    “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause…Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.” Qur’an 4:94
    “… Whenever they heard of a Meccan caravan setting out for Syria, they intercepted it, and killed everyone they could get a hold of. They tore every caravan to pieces and took the goods.” Ishaq:508 Tabari VIII:91
    “We ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.” Ishaq:510

    GENOCIDE:
    “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'” Ishaq:327

    Mohammad condemns himself out of his own mouth. You aisha, simply lack the intellectual honesty to admit it.

  27. Hi,
    @Geoffrey Britain

    You’re talking about Shi’a and Ismaili who are not considered Muslims. Some Shi’as are considered Muslims but the majority have deviated from the palm of Islam. Sufis also fall in the same category, depending on how much “sufi” they are.

    Where are you getting these verses from? There is no chapter in the Quran named Ishaq and secondly the longest Chapter in the Quran is al-Baqarah and it consists of 282 verses. So where did you get Ishaq 327 from?

    There is no chapter named Tabari in the Quran,

    And what translation of the Quran are you reading? Please be careful, since you don’t read Arabic you have no clue what Chapter 4 (An-Nisa) verse 94 means. Here is the interpretation of the meaning
    “O you who have believed, when you go forth [to fight] in the cause of Allah , investigate; and do not say to one who gives you [a greeting of] peace “You are not a believer,” aspiring for the goods of worldly life; for with Allah are many acquisitions. You [yourselves] were like that before; then Allah conferred His favor upon you, so investigate. Indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.” Quran (4:94)

    “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” Quran (9:29)

    This is ridiculous, why are you trying to spread lies about Islam? Your English translations of the Quran are misguided translations, why I must ask? Do you hate Muslims, while Muslims just want peace. You’re getting false information about Islam and the Quran, if you don’t know where to look for the truth then please visit quran.com and quranexplorer.com and these are websites where you can ONLY read the Quran in many translations.

    I was going to reply to all those verses that you quoted above, but a few of them are not even from the Quran, and the rest of them are from deviated translations and since you don’t read Arabic and cannot even quote you from the original Arabic sources.

    Muslims love Christians and they also respect the Jews, have you even been to an Islamic State, EVEN Afghanistan has both Christians and Jews living there, go to Morocco or Saudi Arabia, just visit the Arabian Peninsula, Muslims, Jews and Christians are living harmoniously together. The only problem if any, between them could be a major factor of political movements, and it’s secular, thus, it has nothing to do with the teachings of the New Testament or the Old Testament or the Quran.

    “Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.” Quran Chapter Ma’idah (5:32)

    I challenge anyone to find such a quote in any religious scripture, that killing one innocent person is like killing mankind entirely. And it is repeated in many places, that a person who kills an innocent person is to enter Hell and he has no helpers.

    This article doesn’t concern us one bit about what Bin Laden did was for Islam or whatever, or what Hitler did was for Christians or the Crusaders killed innocent Muslims for Christianity. These are not topics of discussion for this particular article, but we should first look at the verses that you have quoted, and they are not correct and the view that you have about Islam is also false. I believe just like any other Muslim that the Bible is sent by God, and anyone who says otherwise is not even a Muslim. But, we also know that the Bible has been changed and it says that in the Quran. Muslims are not the enemies of Christians or Jews, but the enemies of all parties are the transgressors of God’s Will, and that’s what unites us in one sense.

    It is my humble request, if you really want to learn about Islam or the Quran, then please get your information from the correct sources, since Arabic is not your first language, you could be easily fooled with misguided English translations of the Quran. An acceptable English translation of the Quran is Sahih International or Pickthal. Please only read one of these translations and make your references upon those verses.

    May Allah have peace on us

    • Thank you for an excellent example of Taqiyya, codeh3x.
      As any politician can attest, the best way to lie and dissemble is to tell part of the truth, the part that influences the listener to reach the erroneous impression desired.

      True, I do not speak nor read Arabic and translations can be problematic. No doubt two honest translators could come up with slightly different translations of the same passage.

      I accuse you of Taqiyya because as a Muslim you must know that the Ishaq quotes are from Ibn Ishaq, who was a noted “Arab Muslim historian and hagiographer who collected oral traditions that formed the basis of the most important biography of the Islamic prophet Muhammad”.

      The Tabari quotes are hadiths (reported sayings of Mohammad).

      I never stated, nor even implied that all of the quotes cited were solely from the Qur’an, so for you to strongly imply that I did, when you know where those quotes come from is a perfect example of Taqiyya.

      Whatever the accuracy of the quotes provided, there can be no doubt that Islam is not a religion of peace. As the following EMPIRICAL evidence proves; 13,000+ terrorist attacks by Muslims against non-Muslims since 9/11 alone. Widespread persecution of Christians throughout the Ummah. No Christian churches allowed in Saudi Arabia. Ask Egypt’s Christian Copts how tolerant Islam is of their presence. How many Copts enjoy positions of influence within the Egyptian government? Answer; NONE.

      Insane hatred for the Jews throughout the Ummah. “Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel” http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

      84% of Egyptians support the death penalty for apostasy. Freedom of religion is anathema to Islam.

      Near universal oppression of women that denies the most basic of rights. A ‘religion’ that still stones young women to death for being raped and condones the widespread acceptance of ‘honor’ killing of young women by members of their own family.

      1400 years of violence against the Dar el Harb (‘house of war’, meaning anywhere outside the Ummah).

      The abomination of Slavery that continues to this day, only in the Ummah does its widespread acceptance continue.

      Bin Ladin is widely admired within the Ummah,but even in his own view, Hitler was no Christian. A Muslim unwillingness to acknowledge that the first Crusades were a RESPONSE to Muslim invasions and a barring of Christian pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Sure there were innocent Muslim victims during the Crusades but there far more innocent non-Muslim victims of Islamic jihadic invasions of Europe.

      Finally, as my article clearly explains, there are Islam’s most fundamental tenets; Mohammad took dictation from the Archangel Gabriel, making the Qur’an the perfect, unalterable, unchangeable words of God himself. No alteration or revision being then possible (a perfect God doesn’t make mistakes). Since Mohammad brought us Allah’s direct words and comprehensive plan for mankind, Mohammad is the last prophet, (no need for reform) with no more divine guidance needed, so all that is left is acceptance and submission to Allah’s (God’s) revealed will or rejecting his will.

      Mohammad, with those claims leaves no room for reform nor any choice other than submission or resistance and since he proclaims that all the world must be Islamic, 1400 years of barbaric violence results.

      You and every other Muslim who willfully denies the obvious truth of your religion’s tenets, completely destroys any objective credibility you might claim.

      No, I don’t hate Muslims, I abhor Islam because its a cult of death, which completely rejects Jesus’ tenets and perverts the Bible; nowhere in either the old or new testament does God proclaim that mankind should be forced through violence to his will.
      You codeh3x, may well be sincere in your wish for peace but you’re an apologist for a ‘religion’ that breeds monsters and spreads evil.

  28. Great reading, even though I scanned about 15% of it! Perhaps the latest from Codeh3x was an attempt to divide sunni from shia? Maybe that is why he is not familiar with the hadith you quote? They use separate hadith. Perhaps codeh3x is about to take the same route I take (as a protestant) about the history of the catholic church. Which is to say, you’re preaching to the choir if you want to bash the catholic church. Perhaps we’ll have to cut out Iranian extremism and limit our discussion of Islamic butchery to those owned by the sunnis? To those muslims who so eloquently addressed the original post: you missed the mark. We want to know what theological grounds you can reject the butery, massacre, and general mayhem found across the Islamic world. We don’t want to know the theological grounds for your peacefulness and happiness. We want to know what your extremists preach- which verses they cite and how you refute them. We want to know why the violence is so widespread. Not why the peace and love is so widespread.

    As a former nihilist turned Christian, it seems that I can sometimes move a non believer toward faith by bringing them home to the ultimate nightmarish conclusions of a godless universe. It seems that a Devil’s advocate who could preach a theologically sound Islamic extremism to faux moderates like aisha (I haven’t forgotten your first post, I know a militant when I see one- being one myself) would be helpful in drawing out their responding Islamic theology.

  29. Earl – I may be thick. But I didnt understand your reference to the history of the Catholic Church. Do you mean the history of Christianity prior to the arrival of the schismatics or after the Great Division of the body of Christ?

  30. Part 1 Thank you Codeh3x for addressing those points to GB and sparing me the monotony

    Back to Geoffrey Britian, I must apologise for referring to you as an intelligent man, that was an oversight on my part and i stand corrected.

    So Wikipedia is your reference? Seriously?
    Taqqiya is indeed a zionist construct and if you have the guts to delve towards unearthing the actual source that birthed this term, you will find that it is a jew named Abdullah ibn Saba, a jew whom claimed to accept Islam only to deviate & corrupt his followers into what is now called the Shia sect.

    Not only are you misquoting but you are the dishonest one making up fabricated islamic text.
    Fabricating that women are mistreated in Islam, i am a woman and i am revered and Islam has given me 1400 years of dignity. You milk cultural barbaric practices and claim that they are endorsed by Islam. Islam put a stop to mistreatment of women and although some cultures INCLUDING YOURS continue to mistreat women I come from a Practicing muslim generation that never mistreated women.
    One of the verses you have hijacked into your distorted image to back your ludicrious claim, is actually Surat al Nisa. Disinformants & propaganda agents like yourself claim that Islam allows wife beating.
    Here is the real translation of aya 34 of Surat al-nisa; the message is marital CONFLICT RESOLUTION not violence

  31. PART 2

    You speak of slavery, Islam has abolished slavery and before that had taken effect Islam gave slaves rights, unlike your ancestors whom killed and oppressed their slaves, who treated them like animals and sold their own offspring into further oppression and slavery.
    In Islam when a slave woman becomes pregnant by her master , she becomes his wife, equal to his other wife. The children she bears him become his LEGITIMATE CHILDREN entitled to his name, his wealth , his inheritance & his honour.
    I shall give you the biggest example, before America was so happy it finally had a black SELECTED (yes none of your presidents after Kennedy were elected) is President Obama.
    Kuwait’s previous heir apparent was Sheikh Abdullah Al-Salim Al- Sabah THE dark hued SON OF A NEGRO SLAVE WOMAN, he was not ostracized, nor suffered racism or prejudice, he took his role into the ruling line as per his full and applicable rights. Why?
    BECAUSE ISLAM FORBIDS that he looses his rights.
    Sheikh Abdullah became one of the most loved rulers of kuwait loved by his people and people of the gulf region- this my feather brained friend IS EQUALITY IN ISLAM.

    You dare to come and accuse the Egyptian Muslims of oppressing the Egyptian copts, have you ever been to Egypt? Do you know any? No! But I do.
    For centuries the Copts have lived side by side with the Muslims.
    It is your propaganda and false flag missions that is the root to this accusation. There are foreign agents that are causing unrest between Egyptian Muslims & Christians.
    The members of this organization (commonly referred to as the NWO) have been caught red handed:-
    The American defendants work for four United States-based groups, two of which, the National Democratic Institute and the International Republican Institute, are chartered as democracy-building organizations and have close ties to leaders in the United States Congress. The other two organizations are Freedom House and the International Center for Journalists.

    The state news media report said that the groups’ operations “infringe on Egyptian sovereignty.”
    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/trial-of-americans-in-egypt-shakes-ties-between-nations/

    I hope that Geoffrey Britian is a ‘nom de plume’ because if it is your real name you have just publically labelled yourself a FOOL.
    I would say shame on you, but i wont, because shame would befall a person who doesn’t know better, however you do; i see right through you and it has become crystal clear that yours is a political agenda, you are a disinformant, you are a cog in this zionist machine that continues to spread lies to justify wars against islam. You are a freemason and a ignorant one at that.
    The dead giveaway was your (and others) silence when i brought up facts and videos challenging the American Government to re-open the 9/11 investigation, FACTS AND EVIDENCE BACKED BY OVER 1500 SPECIALISTS IN THEIR FEILD THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB; a reason to help create GREATER ISRAEL – From the Nile to the Euphrates.
    America is being set up by Israel for the biggest economic fall of the century so that Pax Americana will then be transferred to PaX Judaica and israel will then be the new super-power in the world.
    FYI We muslims do not hate non-muslims, It is prophesied that there will be a Muslim/Christian alliance refereed to ALROOM.
    You are dishonest, in this crusade of yours, you are crushing even your own kind, our prayers are with the oppressed American people of wall street, 99% and anonymous, the ones that your zionist media owned news channels dont show.
    The Americans that have suffered because you have enslaved them with your usury rothchild/rockerfeller backed federal reserve farce.
    You and those that own you have extortioned the American innocent people to wage AIPAC wars against Islam at the behest of Israel.
    You are not just a liar but a traitor to your people.
    and I pray that God punishes you justly not just for your impotent efforts at demonizing Islam but for what you are witlessly doing to your own people.

    • I must apologise for referring to you as an intelligent man,
      Ad Hominem attack: Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one’s opponent in order to attack his claim

      Taqqiya is indeed a zionist construct
      Ha, ha ha, sure it is, just blame the Jews, right. The only thing Zionist about Taqqiya is the Commandment banning “bearing false witness”.

      a jew whom claimed to accept Islam only to deviate & corrupt his followers into what is now called the Shia sect.
      Ah, so the Shia’s are a sect…and only the Sunni are legitimate, I see. In logic 101, that’s called “denigrate to infer illegitimacy”. Unfortunately for you that’s like saying that neither the Protestants or the Catholics are Christians because they disagree on minor dogma.

      Not only are you misquoting but you are the dishonest one making up fabricated islamic text.
      I’ve made nothing up, others may have but as I pointed out, whatever the accuracy of the quotes, the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that these observations of Islam are accurate is overwhelmingly conclusive. So, who are we to believe; “you or our lying eyes”?

      Fabricating that women are mistreated in Islam
      The only one fabricating is you and you know it. Please, everyone knows that Islam mistreats women. You might as well deny that water is wet.

      i am a woman and i am revered
      Really? Revered? You can’t even leave your house by yourself in Saudi Arabia, nor can you drive by yourself there either because according to your religion, men are beasts who will attack any unescorted woman.

      Islam has given me 1400 years of dignity.
      It’s given you 1400 years of second class citizenship. You know it and to deny it indicates a level of deceit that indicates that your whole purpose here is to try to convince others of your Taqqiya.

      I come from a Practicing muslim generation that never mistreated women.
      There has never been a generation of Muslims who haven’t mistreated women, nor can there be, because mistreatment of women is inherent to the theological tenets of Islam. You’d have to reject Muhammad’s own words.

      You may come from a family who doesn’t mistreat women but we’re not talking about your family, we’re talking about theological tenets and the cultural norms that arise from them. You know this is true, which places you in the position of acknowledging the truth or lying, so clearly supporting your religious dogma is of greater importance than admitting the truth. God doesn’t lie, Satan lies, which makes you a supporter of Shiatan.

      You speak of slavery, Islam has abolished slavery… In Islam when a slave woman becomes pregnant by her master , she becomes his wife, equal to his other wife.
      Hello, those are mutually contradictory statements. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive!”

      unlike your ancestors whom killed and oppressed their slaves
      None of my ancestors ever had slaves, an erroneous assumption on your part and another ad hominem attack. But it’s CERTAIN that if any of your ancestors were wealthy, that they had slaves. You falsely accuse my ancestors… of your ancestors shame. More Taqqiya…

      America was so happy it finally had a black SELECTED …President Obama.
      I didn’t vote for Obama and we do have elections. When will Islam select a Jew for President? Or are there no ‘good’ Jews?

      You dare to come and accuse the Egyptian Muslims of oppressing the Egyptian copts, have you ever been to Egypt? Do you know any? No! But I do.
      I don’t ‘dare’, I merely read the news. Do a google search. Then say its all lies, right.

      For centuries the Copts have lived side by side with the Muslims.
      Living ‘side by side’ in the Ummah means second class citizenship. No Copt would ever be allowed to any position of power in Egypt.

      It is your propaganda and false flag missions that is the root to this accusation. There are foreign agents that are causing unrest between Egyptian Muslims & Christians.
      Yeah, the Copts are free to build churches wherever they might wish, right.

      The truth isn’t ‘propaganda’ but accusing the truth of being propaganda is propaganda.
      The NWO’s are promoting democracy, but feel good liberals are not ‘foreign agents’. Despite your conspiracy laden paranoia.

      I hope that Geoffrey Britian is a ‘nom de plume’ because if it is your real name you have just publically labelled yourself a FOOL.

      “Speak truth to a fool and they call you foolish!” Euripedes 2500 B.C.

      i see right through you … you are a cog in this zionist machine that continues to spread lies to justify wars against islam.
      One of us sees right through the other all right. News Flash! It’s not others making war against Islam. It’s Islam making war upon others in the Dar al Harb. All over the world, over 13,000 Islamist terrorist attacks since 9/11 alone! Islam is the one who divides the world into Islam and the ‘house of war’ and isn’t that revealing about Islam’s mind-set…

      The dead giveaway was your (and others) silence when i brought up facts and videos challenging the American Government to re-open the 9/11 investigation, FACTS AND EVIDENCE BACKED BY OVER 1500 SPECIALISTS IN THEIR FEILD THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB; a reason to help create GREATER ISRAEL – From the Nile to the Euphrates.

      Cuckoo! Cuckoo alert! Right, Muhammad atta and his other 18 terrorists were Zionist agents? Right. Israel wants to conquer Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and part of Egypt? Got it.

      (More cuckoo accusations, sigh)

      I pray that God punishes you justly

      “As ye judge, so shall ye be judged” Works for me!

  32. Geoffrey Britian you have now officially bored me; you sound like a ranting monotonous mad old woman that complains about everything, and your regurgitating agenda is anti-Islam. Which is why debate, logic and reason is completely lost on you. Hows that for an Ad Hominem attack?

    Cuckoo Alert? seriously?
    Tell it to the thousands of specialised American engineers and architects and professionals whom have laid their reputations on the line to prove that 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, the very same ones whom are challenging the U.S Government to re-open investigations and we all know why they wont!
    Every terrorist ploy was a CIA false flag, in fact alqaeda is a CIA concoction. Pure Propaganda.

    Since you have coyly side stepped my observation that you are a freemason, something which i dont need any confirmation about because I have come to spot you folks mile away.
    Calling me alongside the many specialized professional Americans whom accuse the Government that 9/11 was an inside job as being cuckoo, only goes to prove that you are either scared of your peers, or you have lost all semblance of a conscience that you once may have had, or you still suffer from the oxygen deprivation when you allowed yourself to lay in a coffin and have a noose tied around your neck: The lunatic rite of passage you silly freemason lot subject yourselves to, in order to join the ‘fraternity’

    I dont have to say “and you know it” because I know you do, whats important is that I & the rest of the world is starting to know it and smell the treason of 9/11 being an inside job whilst you scramble in vain to cover it up. I do not accept the odious accusation branding islam to it.

    Think about it for a moment, if a Muslim homemaker, a woman like myself is able to research and debate and call you on your lies, do you think that the new generation will stand there and allow you to just frame and insult our religion, attack our identity, our lands, steal our oil and accuse us of being criminals, accuse us of crimes that YOU commit.

    No we stand united and proudly say, we are clean of the crimes you commit and frame us for. We stand and proclaim that we denounce your accusations that Islam condones taking lives when our religion teaches us that our duty is to protect all life.
    We wield no swords, we do wield our intellect and our pens and our collective voices and one day the truth will prevail, if not in this life then in the next when God , Allah ALMIGHTY will judge all mankind for their folly. (your gaotu will also have to reap what he sowed)

    If your fraternity aren’t paying you enough, ill buy you a ticket to go to Egypt so you can see with your own eyes that for every muslim mosque, there is a christian church within a 100 meter vicinity…these structures are a historical testament to the fact that the Christian minority have been practicing just as much, if not more, religious equality with the muslim majority. Enough of making a fool of yourself because im sure readers don’t have to take my word for it, they probably went or will go to Egypt and see for themselves.

    The slavery issue i mentioned is like the alcohol issue in Islam, it began to slowly be abolished , if you had taken the trouble to actually read the Quran instead of feeding yourself on a bland diet of internet anti-islamic smut, you would know that.
    But you haven’t you just spew your verbal vomit without checking sources. What you should have taken from what i said above was Islam’s unequivocal equality: The son of a negro slave woman ruled one of the richest oil producing countries in the world because Islam gave him his full practicing rights.
    Again you dont have to believe me or take back your attack on islam, but know this Mr Britan, i have used you.

    Women abuse? Could your prejudice or ignorance blind you to not decipher between cultural practices and religion? What you claim to be muslim practices that subjugate women are infact cultural and traditional. Raped women do not get killed, in fact for adultery to be charged as a crime it must be practiced in broad daylight and witnessed in great microscopic detail by three witnesses..Circumstances that virtually never happen under such circumstances!
    There is a philosophy in this, but most probably one that will be lost on poisoned minds like yours, however im sure intellectual moral people will understand and appreciate the logic

    I have used your site as platform to spread the truth about the holy synchrony of ISLAM and on your site, a site that aims to demonize Islam and spread evil lies about us, i have neutralized your efforts….readers will do follow up reading because I have piqued their interest to seek the truth about Islam.
    You have only one choice to stop this which is to take this site down, however im pretty certain your arrogance wont allow it and THAT serves me just fine 🙂

    The truth is mightier and will prevail over all the evil that you and your horned gaotu can throw at humanity.

    The Holy Quran – Surah Saff verse (7.)

    And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against Allah, while he is being invited to Islam And Allah guides not the people who are wrongdoers.) (8. They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths. But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate (it)

    • No aisha, it’s you that is boring me. Assertions that 9/11 was an inside job and that alqaeda is a CIA concoction are so ludicrous that I can’t take you seriously. Therefore the cuckoo alert comment. So I won’t be reading your comments anymore, much less responding to them. Your comments demonstrate the intellectual bankruptcy of your position better than I could ever do. All you’ve done is make my point, graven in stone for all to see.
      Goodbye, at least until you can be honest.

  33. Fantastic article; you clearly articulated that reform is the main issue in Islam and many other religions.
    I appreciate you taking the time to post this.

    • Thank you TY B.

      I’ve thought long and hard about the issue. I don’t know about “many other religions” I’ve just reached what I believe to be the logically inescapable conclusion that Islam’s most foundational theological tenet; that God dictated the Qur’an to Mohammad through the Archangel Gabriel makes reform theologically impossible. As, if God did write it, it’s perfect and unchangeable by mankind. But if Mohammad got something as basic as the Qur’an’s authorship wrong, then he’s either deluded or lying, and the whole theological edifice of Islam collapses.

      It seems likely that Mohammad purposely set it up this way to prevent Islam from ‘evolving’ away from his theology. And, in that he succeeded brilliantly, Muslims are trapped within the tenets of their religion. The only way to reform it is to reject Mohammad’s primary claim, upon which all of Islam’s theology rests.

      • Geoffrey…first of all, hope you are having a great day 🙂
        Geoffrey, I am muslim and – like any person on earth would feel about his religon – i believe what you say to be not true 🙂
        In my fair chance to try and research what you said i would really appreciate if you send me your sources as they are not sited in the above article…especially the Quran verses…as the Quran is originally in Arabic…and if you read these translations somewhere. I would most certainly appreciate you pointing me in the direction you went in.

        Again…all i am asking is a fair chance to research what you wrote…because i am a person that dont take my religon lightly ( like mormons for example…i love my religon and see beauty in it)

        All the respect, and looking forward fr ur help
        Thanks

  34. Karim,

    I’ll take you at your word that you are sincere, until further conversation proves otherwise. I easily accept that there are millions of Muslims who believe as you claim to do and who try to live good lives that do no harm to anyone. I also think likely that most Muslims truly love their religion.

    But there are millions of people who do not allow feelings of loyalty and even love of their religion to prevent them from honest and objective evaluation of their religion’s premises, tenets, history and current behavior. Those people put truth before dogma.

    I hope you do too and that your request for my sources, (which having nothing to hide, I will provide) is motivated by an honest desire to examine my claims and logic, rather than to ‘prove’ that I am in error. I’m human and therefore prone to error but suspect (hopefully wrongly) that “proving me wrong” is your first motivation. Time will tell its tale,no doubt.

    Sometimes, where there is great evil there is some beauty too. Hitler quite possibly cared for Eva Braun. Stalin reportedly loved his daughter. In the past, both Judaism and Christianity have done terrible things but both religions have great beauty in them as well. So too does Islam; The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám and the writings of Khalil Gibran come to mind as beauty rivaling any others, that spring from the greater Islamic culture.

    Unfortunately, even should the translations be in doubt, there can be no dispute about the 13,000+ world-wide Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11. Nor the facts, easily verified, that virtually in every country bordering upon the Ummah there is historic and ongoing conflict. Islam does NOT teach its children to play well with others.

    Nor can any Muslim dispute the consequence of Islam’s primary tenets; that Mohammad claimed that the archangel Gabriel dictated the Qur’an to him, that its authorship is Allah’s and that these are his direct words. And, as a consequence, mankind, having Allah’s words, finally, directly written down, makes Mohammad the final prophet.

    What that undeniably means is that Islam cannot reform itself nor accept reform or change. It cannot because if Mohammad’s claims are true, then no man may revise Allah’s words who is eternal and perfect in all things. Allah can’t have made a mistake in the Qur’an because Allah is perfect and incapable of making a mistake. But if Mohammad was wrong about something as basic as the Qur’an’s authorship, then it begs the question; what else did he get wrong? And the entire theological edifice of Islam collapses.

    To date, no Muslim has disputed, much less directly rebutted this logic.

    Muslims are commanded by Allah to make the world Islamic, by force if necessary, which means that “live and let live” is ultimately, not an option for Muslims.

    Many Muslims practice Taqiyya, so how are we to believe anything you profess when the nearly universal reaction regarding Islamic terrorism is silence?

    Now, for that source, as promised: Muhammad’s Own Words

    Here’s an important overview of the sources used in those quotes.

    Here’s the Source Materials Appendix

    I caution you or any other reader interested, translations often differ as to a word or two, a comma here and there, which can effect the meaning, so its quite possible that the translator came up with some minor variations on commonly accepted verses.

    On the other hand, we have had the Qur’an and English translations of it for a very long time and for the claim to be made that a translation varies widely from accuracy is to essentially make the charge of it being fraudulent. That would be easily verified and therefore stupid for a translator to attempt to pass off.

    Finally, there is the matter of rebuttal, when honest it is direct, when the critic attempts ambiguous, vague disagreement, it invariably indicates a lack of substance to the rebuttal and implicit acknowledgement that the material is in fact accurate.

    We shall now see into which camp Karim places himself.

    • Sorry to disappoint you but I’m a natural optimist who generally awakens every morning in a good mood and who then remains that way through the day.

      Labeling an accurate description of Islam’s fundamental tenets and the implicit theological conditions that extend from those tenets, as the expressions of a “bitter” man, coupled with the fact that you’ve offered no factual or reasoned rebuttal… reveals that you are both an apologist for Islam, which incidentally makes you complicit in its brutality and, that your obtuseness is willful.

      Avoidance of reality may be treatable. But in any case you face one of four choices; accept the reality we’re faced with and resist it with your very life OR let our “rough and ready men” protect you, while denying the NECESSITY of their sacrifice, proving yourself unworthy of that protection OR accept your dhimmitude OR declare yourself to be a servant and advocate of brutal oppression.

      Those choices aren’t personal opinion but the ones that the reality of Islam’s tenets face us with; “Islam is a revolutionary ideology and program which seeks to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the Earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam, regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it.” —Sayyed Abul Ala Maududi, Sunni founder of Pakistan’s Jamaat-e-Islami, April, 1939

      “There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” Shia cleric Ayatollah Khomeini, 1942

      “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!…Islam says: Kill the [ non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. … Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! … Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword!” Ayatollah Khomeini

      “There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun [or] joy in whatever is serious.” Ayatollah Khomeini

      Islam proclaims its ‘truth’ out of its own mouth and puts the lie to your pretensions.

  35. Wow! The first comment was penned on 6 August 2010 and the last comment penned in this “discussion” was 9 August 2012. Had I scrolled to the end, I would have bitten this off in smaller segments. While attempting to be hearing this from the middle – objectively (though I spiritually stand on one side), I could see a few holes in each of the major player’s feedback. Though I found that temperatures were elevated, the civility or lack of it at times did not reach the level to quickly turn me off. I will return to search the sites/videos referenced and perhaps pass this on.

    • Thanks for the visit JustObservn. I would be most interested and, I mean that sincerely, in any factual or logical flaws in my argument. I would be delighted to be persuaded that my views of Islam are either factually incorrect or unjustifiably negative. Unfortunately, I remain convinced that they are factually correct and objectively verifiable.

      The longevity of this post is, I believe due to the fundamental importance of getting at the truth of Islamic terrorism, an examination which I am convinced, logically and undeniably leads to Islam’s theological tenets.

  36. Hey there! I’ve been following your web site for a while now and finally got the bravery to go ahead and give you a shout out from Humble Tx! Just wanted to mention keep up the great job!

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